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- ophie - 11-24-2004
I've been thinking about this question since last two days. Theoratically the solution seem to be simple and straight forward but as far as their practicality is concerned ........... these are as complicated as these can get. I am inserting some questions marks to the subject. Memebers are encouraged to add all the questions that they have in their minds. Please insert the question in the same paragraph. ets see what will we have after a while. Especially Mr.Guy Brush .... I would like to know your thoughts ..... I wish Mr. THEONE was here. He would've provided us with a lot of stuff for the discussion. Do you miss him as well????????
Education
1.What will happen to the funds sanctioned for education? Will these be utilised accordingly?
2.Do we have enough good teachers to teach our nation according to internationally acceptable standards? ....... (I dont think so)
3.
4.
5.
6.
Justice
1.Can police department be transparent?
2.How will our adjudication bodies be straightened out as most of the appointments of judges are political based?
3.
4.
5.
6.
3.
- Mr. Whappaaaa - 11-24-2004
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YES GOODMAN u saying right. Although i am a regular reader of this topic but not geting to write something about DOWNFALL of MUSLIMS & what is reason being harassed and discouraged of muslims in the this world... it is a long time topical issue,& i think all of members should discuss this issue and focus some relevent points which may be made out .... in my point of view
DOWNFALLS OF MUSLIMS
1 Populations of Muslims are too large as compare to to Non-muslims (specially Chrisitans)but if u see Country wise then None of Muslims country in a TOP 7 position in the world No. RUSSIAN FEDERATION, No 2 CANADA, No. 3 CHINA, No.4 U.S.A, No.5 BRAZIL, No.6 AUSTRALIA..... Only KAZAKISTAAN in a No. 9th position which is not so developed Muslim Country ... thats a big problem
2 If we talk about Technology,Scince,Fictions then currently there is no such a great Muslim personalities exist now why ...Muslims are not struggling to assess others ....?? this is really i dont know.
3 If u see MIDDLE EAST and other Muslim Countries specially in pakistan ... i think we r forgetting our moral values & moreover we dont follow our RELIGION .... GAMING, CHATTING,DATING, watching STARPLUS TV programmes and other ENGLISH CHANNELS(mixtures and impact of other religions),attempting CONCERTS, DANCE PARTIES etc. etc. what is going on by MUSLIMS ... ISLAM always prohibit as such a bad things.
4 DEAR friends Now tell me that a person is able to become again MEHMOOD GHAZNAVI( the greatest Conqueror) ,AHMAD SHAH ABDAALI,MUHAMMAD BIN QASIM in this DIRTY ENVIRONMENT .. i think answer is "NO" .....thats a BIG reason to downfalling of MUSLIMS..because there is no such a great MUSLIM leader may not be able to appear again just for our huge mistakes ...
5 We FOLLOW just WORLD's rules thats how can we make a life much easier.just concentrating on Our STUDIES..Not CONCENTRATING our AAKHRAT. Our main objective is that we have to qualify CA, ACCA (i am just talking about chartered accountants) then has to earn some HEFTY amounts then enough.. kabhi kisi ne yeh sochaa hai k ..HOW to implement ISLAMIC ECONOMIC SYSTEM ... how to follow ISLAMIC rules regarding business matters, how to prevent INTEREST.( i think minor one )
6 AND LASTLY MUSLIMS have a great islamic book specially "QURAN MAJEED" but we dont follow it.... why ...??
yaar LITERACY its not the matter for MUSLIMS ... hum se pehlay jo aaye they (mentioned above ) woh bhi tu hum me se hi they ... agree.?
this kind of CRITICISM of MUSLIMS has been continuely happening. if we want to make a GOOD IMAGE and reputation all over the world then
we would reallly consider our mind in a positive way ....( hands se nahi tu kam as kam mind se tu beat kar saktey hai ....but kiyu nahi kar paa rahay hai ... i realy dont know )
ASIF ALI
- ophie - 11-25-2004
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Sounds to me like a person living in _ _ _ _'s paradise.
- jaan - 11-26-2004
Its Great to hear this sort of fruitful Dissussion
But can this forum Agree on one set of major problems and Solutions.
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Every one has his own point of view and own Envirnment, there would also be people who would not even like to disscuss upon the religion and downfall of mulims becz they may not have any love for the mulims all over the world being Ruined.(sorry if it hearts)
and would like to say that
Ophie "please keep religion out of it for a couple of centuries ........ Right now ..... we have to preserve what we are left with" <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
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But i think the main reason for the Down fall of muslims is not lack
............Money...............
.....................Education...........
..................................leaders.............
...........Unity............................
...................Technology..................
..........................image in the world...............
Its Some thing Else, Which We are not noticing.
..............???
..................?????
Am i right.???
Please do tell me if i am Not.
- sajjad_dar2000 - 11-26-2004
I would like to say for some of those people who think education is only reason for down fall of Muslims. These people think DEEN is nothing (I would not mention the name of people here).
I would say that DEEN is only thing which can bring us in power.
If we follow the Islam then we can solve all our problems. Now here i mention some of the main teaching of Islam about the Dunyaa
1). Education
2). Advance technology
3). Research
4). preparation to fight against your enemy
5). Justice
These are some teaching of Islam which is related to dunyaa. Islam tells us everything how we can make ourselves strong.
People who only talk about education I would like to refer those following Hadis
1) Elim (Eucation)hasil Karoo Khawah tumhain cheen he keyoon na jana paray
2) Ai mairay Allah mairay Elim mai Izafa farmaa
3) Elim hasil karna her muslim par faraz hai
The maim factor of Muslims fall is Tafurkah, we (Muslims) are not united, Arabs are rich with the wealth of oil If they stop oil supply to the Muslim's enemy countries then they can destroy their economy. They are not only supplying them oil but giving them army base as well to kill the Muslim brothers. Islam says not to fight each other but now we can see muslims are fighting each other in the name of Firkah (Sunni, Shia, Wahabi, Barailvi etc.)
God says âAll Muslims are Brotherâ.
So in my opinion only Islam can bring us in power (not only education). If we will follow Islam then we have to get education as well because education is a part of Islamic teaching.
S Lankan populationâs education rate is 100% but they are still in third world countries. (i am not saying that education doesnt have benifit)
If we gonna follow the Islam we can make ourself educated, we can get new techonology, we can stop crime, we can build up our economy etc.
BOTOM LINE... WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE TEACHING OF ISLAM IF WE DO THAT THEN WE CAN GET BACK OUR LOST POWER.
I hope nobody will take my post personally
Edited by - sajjad_dar2000 on Nov 25 2004 113442 PM
- sajjad_dar2000 - 11-26-2004
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Jub Burahe Ko Daikho to Haath sai Rooko aur aus ki Himmat nahi to Zabaan sai Rooko Uggar Aus ki B Himmat nahi to Uss ko Dil Mai Burra Janoo ( Hadis)
- farazthegreat - 11-26-2004
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Sounds to me like a person living in _ _ _ _'s paradise.
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Instead of making posts like this, present your point of view with valid arguments and we'll be glad to hear it.
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- ophie - 11-26-2004
Did any body read this mail of mine????? For reference I am sending it again. Mr. "Farazthegreat" , you want me to have some arguments ....... well you cant handle my arguments ........ you want the truth .... I dont feel like you can handle the truth ....... I'll be branded as a "Kaafir" by majority for speaking the truth ......... Mr."sajjad_dar2000" think that we are not in close contact with our deen. Well then all the developed counries are more 'mulim" than us if lack of deen is the main reason for us being backward. Now I'll be thankful if you just read my few points mentioned below and add your points into it.
"I've been thinking about this question since last two days. Theoratically the solution seem to be simple and straight forward but as far as their practicality is concerned ........... these are as complicated as these can get. I am inserting some questions marks to the subject. Memebers are encouraged to add all the questions that they have in their minds. Please insert the question in the same paragraph. ets see what will we have after a while. Especially Mr.Guy Brush .... I would like to know your thoughts ..... I wish Mr. THEONE was here. He would've provided us with a lot of stuff for the discussion. Do you miss him as well????????
Education
1.What will happen to the funds sanctioned for education? Will these be utilised accordingly?
2.Do we have enough good teachers to teach our nation according to internationally acceptable standards? ....... (I dont think so)
3.
4.
5.
6.
Justice
1.Can police department be transparent?
2.How will our adjudication bodies be straightened out as most of the appointments of judges are political based?
3.
4.
5.
6.
3.
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- sajjad_dar2000 - 11-27-2004
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Mr."sajjad_dar2000" think that we are not in close contact with our deen. Well then all the developed counries are more 'mulim" than us if lack of deen is the main reason for us being backward.
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In Urdu they say Bains K Aagay Been Bajana Sai Kohe Faida Nahi
As for as Developed countries is concerned, YES they are more Muslims than us (not in Emaan). They are not corrupted like todayâs Muslims, they provide justice, they do research, they are educated, they have good leader who think about their countries.
In all developing countries government help the poor people by giving them social security, housing benefit, job seeker allowance, low income support etc. Where did they adopt these ideas, answer is from Muslims. Our Khalifa and Amir Ul Momaineen Hazrat Umar Farooq introduced the social security system but now non-Muslim adopted this system.
Pakistan got a department known as Baital Maal (Zakat money which comes from peopleâs bank account). This money is belong to poor people but nobody know where this money goes (might be in our ministerâs pocket). We are Muslim because we born in Muslim family otherwiseâ¦â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦..
I strongly believe that Muslims are suffering because of their bad deeds. They are not united, they are corrupt, they are uneducated, they donât afraid to Allah but America.
I remember the story of some of our great Muslim heroes, a ship was going to Hind and there were some Muslim women in the ship. Some people attacked on ship and they disrespected the Muslim woman. Mohammed Bin Kasim went to teach them a lesson and took over the Khaiber and them all Hind. And now thousand women have been slaughtered, thousand of women have been disrespected but no Muslim country said a single word against those butchers.
When Tariq Bin Zayad reached in Spain, his first order was âburn the boats burn the boatsâ we have no way to go back but have only way to go ahead.
When Mehmood Gaznawi heard that Hindu kills Muslim people in Somnaat temple as Qurbani for the fake god of temple, he decided to attack and destroy that temple. When he attacked that temple Hindu got hundred thousand armed men and Muslims were only fifteen thousand but they won the battle.
We are poor in emaan we call ourselves Muslims but we donât follow the Islamic teaching. I believe our religion have solution of all our problems. In past Muslims were in power even they were less in numbers. Now we are more in numbers but have no power WHY?????????????????????????????????
- fatty - 11-28-2004
Salam to all!
In my opinion with the lack of all these things the main point is mentioned by the Muslimâs downfall according to the IQBAL is
MAIN TUJH KO BATTAH HOON TAQDEER-E-UMAM KIA HAI
SHAMSEERO SANA AWAL TOOUS O RUBAB AKHIR
History iz the eye witness to it as long as when Muslims ve Islamâs teachings they always conquered the world & ve no problem but as they gone away form the Islam there came the Muslimâs downfall.
Now look at Pakistan Allah knows who kehteh hain naâpatah nahin kis ke barkat se abad haiâ. Warna pakistan key log bhi ais ko tabah hoony main ko kassar nahin choor rahin hain.
I donât know what type of culture is promoting by the media. I saw the childrenâs program on the ARY digital the little girls with half blouz & long dupattas, I didnât took them what they r trying to show the children show or promoting such stupid things if these little children r not given the concept of modesty then just what comes of them. Then I think so the downfall of the Muslimâs is not too much surprising.
fatty
- ophie - 11-28-2004
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ........... Why are we so emotional????
- sajjad_dar2000 - 11-29-2004
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ........... Why are we so emotional????
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Our prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said âMuslims are like Human body if the one part of body is in pain than all body will feel itâ (Muslims ki misaal aik jism ki tarah hai auggar jism k aik hissay mai dard ho to poora jism aus dard ki wajah sai bai-kar-raar ho jata hai)
According to the above hadis true Muslims feel the pain of other Muslim its no mateer where they belong to.
Again our prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said âMuslims are like building that one brick make strong other brickâ ( Muslims ki misaal aik emaarat (building) jaisee hai jiss ki aik eaint doosree eaint ko mazboot karti hai)
Sajjad Dar
Edited by - sajjad_dar2000 on Nov 28 2004 93235 PM
- farazthegreat - 11-29-2004
Now Sajjad, as much as I admire your religious knowledge, I don't think you can convince ophie by quoting ahadith.
Ophie, I can't understand the conflict here,
You say we need education, Islam says we need education.
You say we need a transparent judicial system, so does Islam
You say we need to get rid of corruption, so does Islam
So everybody, please don't get emotional and let's discuss this thing in a mature manner.
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The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw...
- maani - 11-29-2004
we ourselves are responsible for our present condition...
Ace
- Pracs - 11-29-2004
Educating the masses is the first step..??? what good is an illiterate muslim who can barely read islam, let alone understand the Quran and ahadis ??
Educate, Educate, Educate the rest will follow,... justice, social equality, a good economy will follow.
Btw M Bin Qasim, Tariq Bin Ziyad and Mahmoud Ghazanvi were all non islamic conquests, yes I agree in case of Qasim and Ghazanvi the attack was manifested becuase of injustices to Muslims ..(same as the US does today for its rights). What was in place was a good social and political system.
"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311