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- abdulmajid - 04-29-2005
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> originally posted by pracs
You have a point there about the practicality of land routes from Kashmir through China, but there'd still be possibilities.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
honay ko to bhai sab kucch ho sakta hai. isn't it possible that those hardliners instead of coming in power in kasmir, make a government here in pakistan.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">originally posted by shahid_fss
If you conduct a servey you will find out that more then 70% of Kashmiris and Pakistanis think that Pakistan played a Kashmir game to avail financial aid and Pak govt didn't wanted to loose this money so they made this issue unresoled forever.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
which financial aid, brother??? is pakistani recieving any kind of aid from someone to keep the kashmir issue unresolved?? that's not in my knowledge, if u do please tell us.
akhbarak eih habibbie??
- Shahid_fss - 04-30-2005
If you don't know that is not my fault. The aid is not for un-resolving the issue. It is for Pakistan's expenditures on Kashmiri people who left Kashmiri and are in camps. It is for the so called balance of power. It is for the damages made by Indian army etc. There are so many other things if the problem of Kashmir solves Pakistan will loose those facilities.
Know if I say that do you know about American weaponry aid for Afghanistan through Pakistan (in which of course Pakistan had a big share). Will you say that you donât know?
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- Pracs - 04-30-2005
We are getting a bit of the topic here now, Pakistan has got aid or military assistance as you may like to call it for a lot of other reason, Kashmir ofcourse has not been one of them. Afghanistan, Soviet Union, Strategic positioning. USA Vs. China thing and so on. Its definately not been about Kashmir. Shahih may be refering to the little amount that comes in through NGO's but has nothing to do with the Goverment of Pakistan. Other aid programs are similar to any other that may come to the Northern Areas or othe under privileged areas.
Not many people like this when I say this. But its Kashmiris who have taken U turns whenever things brought itself towards a possibility of joining Pakistan. Remember the 1965 war, Field Marshall Ayub's clandensite overt mission involved crossing the Lino of control/ceasefire and aiding an uprising against India. Ofcourse, what he met was ZERO reaction from the Kashmiris. Ofcourse the Indians reacted by crossing the International border at Lahore and we all know what happened next!
Farooq Abdullah,... is another story.
- Shahid_fss - 05-01-2005
Do you want to say that it is the fault of Kashmiris?
In my first post I cleared this that its not my point, its the thing other say. Whenever I have discussed the issue with anyone, result came that its Pakistan's politians' policy not to solve this issue. Its musharaf who is thinking about divition right now.
I know dozens of students in my village who tried to cross LOC for jahad and got injured or failed. AK's people are very imotional and if you will put all the blame on them, beleve me they will hate you.
I realy dont beleave that Pakistan can betray us just for aid so I ones again say that there is nothing better then a Free Kashmir as a part of ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN.
Its mine, yours, ours wish.
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- speaker - 05-02-2005
I am for a FREE kashmir. FREE from India. Free from Pakistan. But if that doesn't happen, then KASHMIR BANAY GAA PAKISTAN.
This is what I would do. Contact the mullahs, and ask them to gather as many people as they can to go across the LOC. I will give them FULL permission for 3 months. Since they recently had a MILLION march, i guess they could gather about a million or two people out of 155 MILLION PAKISTANIS ready to go into kashmir and liberate it.
Meanwhile, I will contact india and tell them, lets solve it once and for all. then i'll contact the EU (European Union) and tell them all that we take ALL parts of kashmir, and make it a NEW SPERATE COUNTRY. if india doesn't agree, i'll have those millions trained, and send them over to fight the indians. EU will pressure me, for surely, to stop this. We will face all kinds of "sanctions" and threats. all the "democracies" getting together to banish us from the international scope. BUT, what must be done must be done. even if we can get 100,000 MILLITANTS across the LOC. we can have a hell of a gorilla war in kashmir. indian army has no ideology to fight for, they fight for their monthly pay checks. they can't fight a muslim fightin for islam. THIS i KNOW and believe.
Anyways. India will try to make its "macho" moves as usual. acting all up. But bad news for india, this will not be another Bollywood Movie. This will be reality. We will not come under any pressure. Because its gonna be," NOW OR NEVER".
THEN, there is goin to be an all out war in kashmir. indian army lost its sleep because of a few hundered (or thousand?)fighters. a million can grind them into sand.
anyways. this is what i believe in. there are only TWO solutions for kashmir.
make it a seperate country. or an all out war. we all know the "international community" WILL and ALWAYS favours india over pakistan. We all have to recognize this. So we can forget about getting any "help" from the UNO or the international community. If they could do, or wanted to do anything that would cause india to lose, they would have put sanctions against india for violating human rights in kashmir, gujarat and other parts just like they wanted to put sanctions against sudan, algeria, iran, pakistan and other muslim countries.
this is what I WILL do. regardless of what others say. these are the ONLY two solutions i see.
- speaker - 05-02-2005
but ONE thing i will NEVER let happen if i get the chance to do it. I will NEVER, and i repeat NEVER let india have a sweet night's sleep. It will have to pay for the murder of kashmir, it WILL INSHA ALLAH.
I will NOT let kashmir become india. as long as pakistan is seperate from india, kashmir will NEVER be a part of india.
Kashmir, either a FREE country, or a part of Pakistan.
Wasalam.
- speaker - 05-02-2005
and whats with this "China" loving thing with pakistanis? They have oppressed and murdered, and ARE oppressing and murdering muslims just like india is. we have to be HONEST. not HALF honest. or 75% honest. we can't, as muslims, ignore the situation of muslims in china. if we do sacrifice them for china's friendship, well, the HELL with such friendship. i don't need it. we have to learn to help ourselves instead of always relying on china or anybody else. otherwise, forget about dignity.
- Shahid_fss - 05-02-2005
Speaker Were are you from?
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- speaker - 05-03-2005
Im from pakistan.
why?
- Shahid_fss - 05-03-2005
I thought you were from Kasmir.
I am from AK.
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- Goodman - 05-03-2005
[code]well, the HELL with such friendship. i don't need it. we have to learn to help ourselves instead of always relying on china or anybody else. otherwise, forget about dignity.[/code]
Please come to terms with reality- Gangis Khan conquered central Asia and came to the doorstep of Europe. In doing so, he passed through the region of Iran - Khawarzam Shah (KS) and for months rape and fire was the order of the time. In doing so, he did not come to india sultan Altamsh (SA). Even when KS lost and muslims were raped and burned alive, KS came to SA. Gangis khan did not follow KS to the terroitory of SA and waited to see as to what SA would do.
Khan, such a ruthless ruler who was the son of a murdered tribal leader and who started all alone and expanded his empire to extreme lengths, and whose family would rule almost half of the world, he did not come next door to india, What do you think why did he do that?
- speaker - 05-04-2005
gangis khan was no "average person". he longed for a competetive foe. this was his nature and his mind demanded it. india was nothing like a foe gangis khan wanted to waste his time with. so it was irrelevent to him.
you can't be assuming that he stayed away because he was afraid of "indians"?
india is overrated brother. if pakistan was the same as india, pakistan would have ****ed india a long time ago. pakistan still can do that. but we need ISLAM for that.
by the way, are you a Jew, brother Goodman?
- speaker - 05-04-2005
Follow the way of Sayyiduna Omar bin Al-Khattaab (radiallah uhnu), or ANY other Sahabi.
This is Allah's Promise, follow Allah's Way, and you will succeed in this life, and hereafter. You will conquer this land, and beyond.
Wasalam.
- abdulmajid - 05-04-2005
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by speaker</i>
<br />I am for a FREE kashmir. FREE from India. Free from Pakistan. But if that doesn't happen, then KASHMIR BANAY GAA PAKISTAN.
This is what I would do. Contact the mullahs, and ask them to gather as many people as they can to go across the LOC. I will give them FULL permission for 3 months. Since they recently had a MILLION march, i guess they could gather about a million or two people out of 155 MILLION PAKISTANIS ready to go into kashmir and liberate it.
Meanwhile, I will contact india and tell them, lets solve it once and for all. then i'll contact the EU (European Union) and tell them all that we take ALL parts of kashmir, and make it a NEW SPERATE COUNTRY. if india doesn't agree, i'll have those millions trained, and send them over to fight the indians. EU will pressure me, for surely, to stop this. We will face all kinds of "sanctions" and threats. all the "democracies" getting together to banish us from the international scope. BUT, what must be done must be done. even if we can get 100,000 MILLITANTS across the LOC. we can have a hell of a gorilla war in kashmir. indian army has no ideology to fight for, they fight for their monthly pay checks. they can't fight a muslim fightin for islam. THIS i KNOW and believe.
Anyways. India will try to make its "macho" moves as usual. acting all up. But bad news for india, this will not be another Bollywood Movie. This will be reality. We will not come under any pressure. Because its gonna be," NOW OR NEVER".
THEN, there is goin to be an all out war in kashmir. indian army lost its sleep because of a few hundered (or thousand?)fighters. a million can grind them into sand.
anyways. this is what i believe in. there are only TWO solutions for kashmir.
make it a seperate country. or an all out war. we all know the "international community" WILL and ALWAYS favours india over pakistan. We all have to recognize this. So we can forget about getting any "help" from the UNO or the international community. If they could do, or wanted to do anything that would cause india to lose, they would have put sanctions against india for violating human rights in kashmir, gujarat and other parts just like they wanted to put sanctions against sudan, algeria, iran, pakistan and other muslim countries.
this is what I WILL do. regardless of what others say. these are the ONLY two solutions i see.
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very ambitious, just want to ask how you will send these 100,00 people in??? there is a thing called fence which is there and sensory devices newly acquired from israel. this is the first guirella war i am hearing whcih will be fought with 100,000 men.
and from where these 100,000 people will eat. i am sure there will be a famine in kashmir. indians will kill them all when they will be charging down into villages for food.
and what you think, will india stay there and watch, won't they consider it an all out war. both pakistan and india understand a war is not an alternative. because after a war there will be two more afghanistans in this region, with same size of population offcourse.
akhbarak eih habibbie??
- abdulmajid - 05-04-2005
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by speaker</i>
<br />and whats with this "China" loving thing with pakistanis? They have oppressed and murdered, and ARE oppressing and murdering muslims just like india is. we have to be HONEST. not HALF honest. or 75% honest. we can't, as muslims, ignore the situation of muslims in china. if we do sacrifice them for china's friendship, well, the HELL with such friendship. i don't need it. we have to learn to help ourselves instead of always relying on china or anybody else. otherwise, forget about dignity.
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it's just laughable (not speaker's post), when muslims were being opressed under mao tzetung regime, then nobody was speaking. and now when situation is getting better for chinese muslims, every one is recalling the past.
what you people want, do you want chinese muslims to wage a jihad against chinese governments. can you people realise what will be the result??? a massacre of chinese muslims. when you people will avenge Gujrat, then please tlkon this issue.
in china the situation today is totally different. chinese government is giving more and more religious freedom to every one. their society is opening up. muslim autonomous regions are recieving much more development aid. since muslim population is not in easily accessed areas, so they are not economically as strong, but certainly things are improving. here is something that will help to understand my point of view http//www.themodernreligion.com/convert/china.html
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Report on Chinese Muslim population
Beijing, Muharram 14/Apr 19 (IINA), 2000 - The number of Muslims in China is estimated at 200 million at the moment. Muslim traders introduced Islam to China way back in 681 AD, and there are ancient mosques in China that are over a thousand years old.
The Deputy President of the Chinese Muslim Society told ALDAWA that there are 3,500 mosques in China at the moment, with the number of Imams standing at 4,000. He said that Muslims in China are now living in state of relief and openness, particularly for the last twenty years, adding that before that they were being persecuted and oppressed. He said now new mosques are being built, and the number of Muslims is on the increase in the country as a whole, with many Muslims attending mosques and prayers regularly.
The Deputy President of the Chinese Muslim Society went on to say that there nine Islamic universities in China at the moment, and attached to every mosque is a Quran schools. This means that there are 3,500 Quran schools, in which the Quran, Hadith and the Islamic doctrine are being taught, with attendance being on the increase. Furthermore, he said, there are Chinese Muslim students pursuing further Islamic Studies at universities in Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Algeria, at the same time learning the Arabic language.
The majority of Chinese Muslims are involved in commerce and industry, and cooperation between China and Islamic countries has its salutary and positive effect on the Muslim community in China, said the Deputy President.
He appealed for an increase in the number of scholarships that are extended to Chinese students, and also support for Islamic schools and universities, in addition to the sending of Daawa activists and supporting the Islamic publications that are published in China.
He pointed out that the Chinese government does give support to the Islamic schools, and also repairs mosques.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
we muslims better cocentrate on ourselves, especially our moral values. and offcourse educate ourselves. if we do that no wonder a huge polulation in china will feel interest in this true way of life.
p.s we must keep this thing in mind that past policies of chinese government were not muslim-specific. they were for all (religions). and on foreign front, no other country has helped and contributed for the causes of muslims like china did. my post is already too long so no need to repeat them.
akhbarak eih habibbie??