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- Pracs - 05-10-2006

Shahid Thank you for the references,.I am reproducing the ayat in various translations

http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/

9110 The foundation of those who so build is never free from suspicion and shakiness in their hearts, until their hearts are cut to pieces. And Allah is All-Knowing, Wise. (Yusuf Ali)

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The parable is continued further. The heart of man is the seat of his hopes and fears, the foundation of his moral and spiritual life. If that foundation is on an undermined sand cliff already crumbling to pieces, what security or stability can he have ? He is being shaken by alarms and suspicions and superstitons, until like the edge of a sand cliff they are cut clean away and fall into a heap of ruin and his spirituall life and all its landmarks are destroyed.
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9110 the building which they have built will never cease to be a source of deep disquiet in their hearts until their hearts crumble to pieces.And God is all-knowing, wise (M Asad)

(Quran Ref 9110 )
Lit., '.`unless their hearts are cut into many pieces"-i.e., until they die. In verses 109-110, the reference to "the building which they have built" is, obviously, widened beyond the preceding allusion to houses of worship, and allegorically circumscribes here all the "works" and. the behaviour of men.(Quran Ref 9110 )
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9110 The building which they built will never cease to be a misgiving in their hearts unless their hearts be torn to pieces. Allah is Knower, Wise.(Pikthall)

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I think based on these translations and explanation the verse has whatsoever no meaning to Physical buildings alone, and more so as in places of worships/human concepts; least to the 9/11 bombings.

Ofocurse, I am no scholar of the Quran. Other learned members care to shed some light

- Humaira - 05-10-2006

AOA

"AUR AAPUS MAIN JHAGRAA NA KAROO WERNA TUM KAMZOOR HO JAY GI AUR TUMHARI HAWA UKHER JAY GI" (AL-ANFAL-468)

"YAQEENAN JIN LOGOON NAY APNAY DEEN KO JUDA JUDA KER DIYA AUR GAROOH GROOH BAN GAY AAP KA IN SAY KOI TAALOOK NAHI BUS IN KA MAMLAA ALLAH KAY SAPURD HAI PHIR WOH IN KO BATA DAY GA KAY WOH KIYA KUCH KERTAY RAHAY HAIN"(AL-INAAM-1596)

"AUR IN KI MANIND MAT HO JAO JO ALAG ALAG HO GAY AUR UNHOON NAY AAPUS MAIN IKHTALAF KIYA ISS KAY BAAD KAY IN KAY PASS KHULI NISHANIYAAN AEIN AUR UN KAY LIYAY BARI SAZA HAI"(AL-E-IMRAN-105)

LAST BUT NOT LEAST

"AUR SAB WABASTA HO JAO ALLAH KI RASSI SAY AUR ALAG ALAG NA HO"(AL-E-IMRAN-103)

sorry guys if i posted any wrong information but i got it through a mail ...but it gives wonderful response from all of u ....i.e;

IT IS IGNORANCE TO BELIEVE OTHERS WITHOUT ANY PROVE.

ITS THE SPIRIT WHICH WE NEED AT THIS TIME.
ALLAH HAFIZ TAKE CARE ...

- Pracs - 05-10-2006

Humaira,

No one is fighting or quarreling here at all, infact since your post contained reference to a 'Quranic verse' it is our duty as muslims to investigate and put the record straight. There were and are no two opinions about it. If you read through various posts above all memebers have tried to find out the Quranic verse and there can be opinions about its interpetation and relevance to 9/11. I for one have not read or heard any renowned scholar refering it to Quran.

Reading and understanding the Quran is a science in itself, many a times isolated verses do not form the substance and there is back ground and continuity within the Chapter/s (Surah).

Its always good to read carefully before posting on Public forums or forwarding emails, especially if it relates to Quran or Hadees, more so if it is on a controversial topic such as 9/11. As goes in accounting we always refer back to IFRS/IAS if a text book confuses you,.. same should be for important matters as above.

No harm done, as far as it is rectified. It did bring me to start reading Surah Tawbah (Chapter 9) which is quite pertinent specifically for Muslims living in non muslim societies and in general for all Muslims

- Humaira - 05-11-2006

AOA

ek painter nay ek pic banai aur pazeeari kay liyay anpnay baap kay mashwaray per market k chorahay per laga di aur uss k end per likha jahan jahan ghalti hai mark ker dain ...aglay hi din woh puri pic marked thi ....baap nay phir mashawara diya k ab phir banao aur uss k end per likhna k jahan jahan ghalti hai uss ko theek ker dain...mager aglay din uss per ek bhi mark na tha....

same is the case with u people yeh ghalat hai yeh to sab ko maloom hai prove to do baba ...ghalti nikalna aasan hai mager theek kerna asaan nahi....

any ways thanks for ur contribution

Allah hafiz

- sajjad_dar2000 - 05-11-2006

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Shahid Thank you for the references,.I am reproducing the ayat in various translations

http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/

9110 The foundation of those who so build is never free from suspicion and shakiness in their hearts, until their hearts are cut to pieces. And Allah is All-Knowing, Wise. (Yusuf Ali)

Expl
The parable is continued further. The heart of man is the seat of his hopes and fears, the foundation of his moral and spiritual life. If that foundation is on an undermined sand cliff already crumbling to pieces, what security or stability can he have ? He is being shaken by alarms and suspicions and superstitons, until like the edge of a sand cliff they are cut clean away and fall into a heap of ruin and his spirituall life and all its landmarks are destroyed.
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9110 the building which they have built will never cease to be a source of deep disquiet in their hearts until their hearts crumble to pieces.And God is all-knowing, wise (M Asad)

(Quran Ref 9110 )
Lit., '.`unless their hearts are cut into many pieces"-i.e., until they die. In verses 109-110, the reference to "the building which they have built" is, obviously, widened beyond the preceding allusion to houses of worship, and allegorically circumscribes here all the "works" and. the behaviour of men.(Quran Ref 9110 )
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9110 The building which they built will never cease to be a misgiving in their hearts unless their hearts be torn to pieces. Allah is Knower, Wise.(Pikthall)

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I think based on these translations and explanation the verse has whatsoever no meaning to Physical buildings alone, and more so as in places of worships/human concepts; least to the 9/11 bombings.

Ofocurse, I am no scholar of the Quran. Other learned members care to shed some light

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I am extremely agree with Prac, I canât understand where the people get the ideas to relates these Holy Verses with terrible 9/11 attack.

Here is detail tafsir of concern Holy Verses

(verse 110)
(Ask forgiveness for them (O Muhammad)) Allah says if you ask forgiveness for âAbdullah Ibn Ubayy, Jadd Ibn Qays, and Muâattib Ibn Qushayr and their followersâwho were about 70 menâ, (or ask not forgiveness for them) it is all the same for them; (though thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will not forgive them) that punishment. (That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger) in secret, (and Allah guideth not) forgives not (wrong-doing folk) the hypocrites âAbdullah Ibn Ubayy and his host.

(Verse 111)
(Those who were left behind rejoiced) the hypocrites were pleased (at sitting still) at staying behind and not joining the battle of Tabuk (behind the messenger of Allah, and were averse to striving with their wealth and their lives in Allahâs way) in obedience of Allah. (And they said) to one another (Go not forth in the heat!) do not go with Muhammad (pbuh) to the battle of Tabuk in the scorching heat. (Say) to them, O Muhammad (The heat of Hell is more intense of heat) is most intense in firebrands, (if they but understood) and believed.

(Verse 112)
(Then let them laugh a little) in the life of this world (they will weep much) in the Hereafter, (as the award of what they used to earn) of what they used to say and do of transgression

- smurfyazhar - 05-11-2006

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 The very fact that the Quranic verse it quotes is fictious has lost all its credibility,. Smurfyazhar,, if you can find a link for the publication will be much appreicated, otherwise I'd request the creator of the thread to edit his/her post and atleast remove the worng Quranic verse.
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Pracs i may tell you that when DAWN published an article about this number 11 there was no mention of quran or its verses. it was only few related numbers to 9/11 which were added, mupliplied, and divided to get net result of 11. I am unable to provide you with the link as this news is really old.

- Humaira - 05-11-2006

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ausmanpk2001
 this verses doesn't looks like from the quran. I have never heard any thing like this in quran. would you please tell the surat from which this is.

or maybe Just to make your 11 number story interesting you invented this ayat yourself.

this makes other 11 no. stats you gave suspicious. is it really true or you have also invented the other stats like the verses from quran to make your story??
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AOA

MR. usman aap say achay na sahi thoray hi sahi itnay Muslim to hum bhi hain thora bohat to Quran say hum bhi waqiff hain .....i think u may be did not red this verse or forget it ...any how Quran says;

in surah BAQARAH ayat # 169,

"WOH (SATAN) SIRF TUMHAIN BURAI AUR BEHAYAI HI KO KEHTA HAI AUR YEH K TUM ALLAH KI NISBAT WOH KAHOO JO TUM NAHI JANTAY"

AL-BAQARAH VERSE # 174;

"BAYSHAQ JO LOOG CHUPATAY HAIN WOH JO ALLAH NAY KITAAB SAY UTAARA AUR ISS K EEWAZ HAQEER DAAM SODAY MAIN LAY LAITAY HAIN WOH APNAY PAITOON MAIN SIRF AAG BHERTAY HAIN AUR ALLAH QIYAAMAT K ROZ IN SAY KALAAM NAHI KARAY GA AUR NA INHAIN PAK KARAY GA IN K LIYAY DERDNAAK AZAAB HAI"

SURAH-E-NAHEL VERSE #11616;

"AUR YOONHI JHOOT JO TUMHARI ZUBAAN PER AA JAY MAT KEH DIYA KAROOK YEH HALAL HAI AUR YEH HARAAM HAI K ALLAH PER JHOOT BOHTAAN BANDHNAY LAGOO. JO LOG ALLAH PER JHOOT BOHTAAN BANDHTAY HAIN WOH KAMYAAB NA HONGAY"

so, i think u got the point ...koi bhi jan boojh ker aisa ghinaoona jurum nahi karay ga sirf chand min ki appreciation k liyay....mind it n one thing more think brfore speak....

- sajjad_dar2000 - 05-11-2006

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Humaira
 <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ausmanpk2001
 this verses doesn't looks like from the quran. I have never heard any thing like this in quran. would you please tell the surat from which this is.

or maybe Just to make your 11 number story interesting you invented this ayat yourself.

this makes other 11 no. stats you gave suspicious. is it really true or you have also invented the other stats like the verses from quran to make your story??
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AOA

MR. usman aap say achay na sahi thoray hi sahi itnay Muslim to hum bhi hain thora bohat to Quran say hum bhi waqiff hain .....i think u may be did not red this verse or forget it ...any how Quran says;

in surah BAQARAH ayat # 169,

"WOH (SATAN) SIRF TUMHAIN BURAI AUR BEHAYAI HI KO KEHTA HAI AUR YEH K TUM ALLAH KI NISBAT WOH KAHOO JO TUM NAHI JANTAY"

AL-BAQARAH VERSE # 174;

"BAYSHAQ JO LOOG CHUPATAY HAIN WOH JO ALLAH NAY KITAAB SAY UTAARA AUR ISS K EEWAZ HAQEER DAAM SODAY MAIN LAY LAITAY HAIN WOH APNAY PAITOON MAIN SIRF AAG BHERTAY HAIN AUR ALLAH QIYAAMAT K ROZ IN SAY KALAAM NAHI KARAY GA AUR NA INHAIN PAK KARAY GA IN K LIYAY DERDNAAK AZAAB HAI"

SURAH-E-NAHEL VERSE #11616;

"AUR YOONHI JHOOT JO TUMHARI ZUBAAN PER AA JAY MAT KEH DIYA KAROOK YEH HALAL HAI AUR YEH HARAAM HAI K ALLAH PER JHOOT BOHTAAN BANDHNAY LAGOO. JO LOG ALLAH PER JHOOT BOHTAAN BANDHTAY HAIN WOH KAMYAAB NA HONGAY"

so, i think u got the point ...koi bhi jan boojh ker aisa ghinaoona jurum nahi karay ga sirf chand min ki appreciation k liyay....mind it n one thing more think brfore speak....
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- Humaira - 05-12-2006

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sajjad_dar2000
 <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Humaira
 <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ausmanpk2001
 this verses doesn't looks like from the quran. I have never heard any thing like this in quran. would you please tell the surat from which this is.

or maybe Just to make your 11 number story interesting you invented this ayat yourself.

this makes other 11 no. stats you gave suspicious. is it really true or you have also invented the other stats like the verses from quran to make your story??
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AOA

MR. usman aap say achay na sahi thoray hi sahi itnay Muslim to hum bhi hain thora bohat to Quran say hum bhi waqiff hain .....i think u may be did not red this verse or forget it ...any how Quran says;

in surah BAQARAH ayat # 169,

"WOH (SATAN) SIRF TUMHAIN BURAI AUR BEHAYAI HI KO KEHTA HAI AUR YEH K TUM ALLAH KI NISBAT WOH KAHOO JO TUM NAHI JANTAY"

AL-BAQARAH VERSE # 174;

"BAYSHAQ JO LOOG CHUPATAY HAIN WOH JO ALLAH NAY KITAAB SAY UTAARA AUR ISS K EEWAZ HAQEER DAAM SODAY MAIN LAY LAITAY HAIN WOH APNAY PAITOON MAIN SIRF AAG BHERTAY HAIN AUR ALLAH QIYAAMAT K ROZ IN SAY KALAAM NAHI KARAY GA AUR NA INHAIN PAK KARAY GA IN K LIYAY DERDNAAK AZAAB HAI"

SURAH-E-NAHEL VERSE #11616;

"AUR YOONHI JHOOT JO TUMHARI ZUBAAN PER AA JAY MAT KEH DIYA KAROOK YEH HALAL HAI AUR YEH HARAAM HAI K ALLAH PER JHOOT BOHTAAN BANDHNAY LAGOO. JO LOG ALLAH PER JHOOT BOHTAAN BANDHTAY HAIN WOH KAMYAAB NA HONGAY"

so, i think u got the point ...koi bhi jan boojh ker aisa ghinaoona jurum nahi karay ga sirf chand min ki appreciation k liyay....mind it n one thing more think brfore speak....
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kiya aap ko khud per yaqeen nahi hai[0][0][0][0][0][0][0][0][0][0]

- sajjad_dar2000 - 05-12-2006

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kiya aap ko khud per yaqeen nahi hai[0][0][0][0][0][0][0][0][0][0]
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QUESTION; What is your name?
ANSWER My father work in a Bank

QESTION What is your date of birth?
ANSWER My cousin is elder then me

sawal kuch aor jawab kuch...yeh kia ho raha hai bahi, yeh kia ho raha hai.....[D][D][D]

- Pracs - 05-12-2006

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by smurfyazhar
 <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 The very fact that the Quranic verse it quotes is fictious has lost all its credibility,. Smurfyazhar,, if you can find a link for the publication will be much appreicated, otherwise I'd request the creator of the thread to edit his/her post and atleast remove the worng Quranic verse.
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Pracs i may tell you that when DAWN published an article about this number 11 there was no mention of quran or its verses. it was only few related numbers to 9/11 which were added, mupliplied, and divided to get net result of 11. I am unable to provide you with the link as this news is really old.
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Well, any paper in Pakistan would not dare to put a misquoted Quranic Verse and then like Humaira simply go on taunting every one else without understanding what the implications could mean

- Pracs - 05-12-2006

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Humaira
 AOA

ek painter nay ek pic banai aur pazeeari kay liyay anpnay baap kay mashwaray per market k chorahay per laga di aur uss k end per likha jahan jahan ghalti hai mark ker dain ...aglay hi din woh puri pic marked thi ....baap nay phir mashawara diya k ab phir banao aur uss k end per likhna k jahan jahan ghalti hai uss ko theek ker dain...mager aglay din uss per ek bhi mark na tha....

same is the case with u people yeh ghalat hai yeh to sab ko maloom hai prove to do baba ...ghalti nikalna aasan hai mager theek kerna asaan nahi....

any ways thanks for ur contribution

Allah hafiz
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Humaira,

Just editing the Qurani verse would have sufficed. This is a public forum and when you post any thing expect to hear criticism about it, especially if it is as controversial as this had been.

I think myself and other members including Shahid, Sajjad, Smurfyazhar all provided you with ample proof by quoting all manners of Quranic verses that fit the numbers 911; 119, 9110 etc.

I am dissapointed that you haven't actually read any of ours post carefully. Nothing personal though.

- Humaira - 05-12-2006

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Humaira
 
sorry guys if i posted any wrong information but i got it through a mail ...ALLAH HAFIZ TAKE CARE ...
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i think u did not red this[?][?][?]

- Humaira - 05-12-2006

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sajjad_dar2000
 
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QUESTION; What is your name?
ANSWER My father work in a Bank

QESTION What is your date of birth?
ANSWER My cousin is elder then me

sawal kuch aor jawab kuch...yeh kia ho raha hai bahi, yeh kia ho raha hai.....[D][D][D]
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what's this [?][?]

- Shahid_fss - 05-12-2006

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Humaira
 <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sajjad_dar2000
 
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QUESTION; What is your name?
ANSWER My father work in a Bank

QESTION What is your date of birth?
ANSWER My cousin is elder then me

sawal kuch aor jawab kuch...yeh kia ho raha hai bahi, yeh kia ho raha hai.....[D][D][D]
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what's this [?][?]
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Its you proper definition.