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- rabia-k - 03-17-2010
once upon a time a bunch of foul mouths even accused allama iqbal of being a qadyani.
- kamranACA - 03-17-2010
Rabia
These foul mouths have their place in society. After all social evils have to prevail.
They can fabricate whatever they wish because they have nothing else to do and have no way to find out any prominance.
Regards,
Kamran.
- ausmanpk2001 - 03-28-2010
When Zaid Hamid is openly saying that he believes on khatm-e-nabuat then WHO are you to say that he is a non muslim. Ulema are ignoring whatever he's saying & just keep on repeating their broken record.
When a person says that, how can you judge his heart & say that he's wrong?????????????????????????
- kamranACA - 03-28-2010
Usman
"He" has to lay down in Zaid Hamid's graves so he is trying to lay down in his heart and mind as well.
Just to correct, Ulema are not calling Zaid as non-muslim; yes "parrots" and fish market stuff is doing so.
Now, unfortunately we have "parrots" in abundance that are the nearest available fish market on which people depend for "hundreds" of "online" fatawaas.
You have to decide on what "ulema" and "aalim" mean in fact. Big tummy, long beared and a cloth on shoulders does not make some one an aalim. So please differentiate.
Aalims don't disgrace others for no justification. Yeh do takkay kay maulvi he kar saktay hain "aalim" nahi.
Regards,
Kamran.
- awaisaftab - 03-29-2010
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<br />When Zaid Hamid is openly saying that he believes on khatm-e-nabuat then WHO are you to say that he is a non muslim. Ulema are ignoring whatever he's saying & just keep on repeating their broken record.
When a person says that, how can you judge his heart & say that he's wrong?????????????????????????
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Usman In sawalon k jawab do
1 Zaid Hamid Yousuf Kazzab ko kazzab qun nhn kehta?
2. Zaid Hamid Yousuf Kazzab se apna relation qun chupata rah? Phir jub medical k ek student ne uski videos youtube pe upload ker deen tab us ne kha k mera Yousuf kazzab se taluq tha. Is munafaqat aur jhoot ka kia matlab ha?
3. Zaid Hamid yousuf Kazzab k case main qun us k sath pesh hota raha?
4. Zaid Hamid abhi bhee yousuf Kazzab ki himayat qun ker raha ha?
5. Zaid Hamid ka yeh bayan record pe ha k Yousuf Kazzab bohat bara wali tha ?
6. Zaid Hamid ne kha k Abdur Rehman Asharfi, Dr.Israr Ahmed aur Mufti Ghulam sarwar Qadri Yousuf Kazzab ko sahi musalman kehte the. Is baat ki tasdiq in teenon ulema ne ker di ha k wo yousuf kazzab ko Kazzab aur jhoota samajhtay thay (I can provide the links on which the explaination of these ulema is available).Kia Zaid Hamid ne qoum se jhoot nhn bola aur wo bhe khatme nabuwat k mamle main?
7.Kia khatme Nabuwat jaise mamle main hum itne bare jhoot ko ignore kerdain?
8. Kia Zaid Hamid ke itne bohat sare jhoot hum ignore ker dain?
9.My brother "Actions speaks louder than words". Zaid Hamid ek taraf to yeh kehta ha k wo khatme nabuwat pe eman rakhta ha dosri taraf wo yousuf kazzab ki musalsal himayat qun ker raha ha?
10. Ek taraf tamam musalman deobandi,brelv,shia aur ahle hadis is baat pe mutafiq hain k yousuf Kazzab ne nabuwat ka jhoota dawa kia tha dosri janib zaid Hamid kehta ha k Yousuf Kazzab bohat bara sufi tha. Kia Akela Zaid Hamid sacha ha baqi sare firqe jhoote hain?
(Yad rahe Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) k ek farma ka mafhoom ha k Musalman kabhi gunah ya burayee pe mutafiq nhn ho sakte)
11. Yeh fiqha aur shariat ka usool ha k ulema aise shaks se jis ka aqeeda mashkook ho explaination le sakte hain. Hum is authority ko challenge kerne wale koun hote hain?
12. Zaid Hamid ko kis ne non muslim kha? Show me the proof
In sawalon ka jawab enayat farmain
- awaisaftab - 03-29-2010
Come with concrete answers. But keep it in mind kuch arse bad ham sub ne apni apni qabar main chalay jana ha
Na whan internet ho ga na computer whan per hamaray eke ek amal ka hisab ho ga. Yaqinan ager zaid Hamid k bare main hum achi ray nhn rakhtay to is ka hum se sawal nhn hoga . Mager jub ke hum main se koyee musalman zaid hamid ko apna leader samjhay to us se kal baroaze Qayamat Allah ya Allah k nabe ne yeh pooch lia k tum ne us shaks ko apna leader aur imam qn banaya jo ke jhote nabi ka sathi raha to us waqt hamare pas kia jawab hoga.
- kamranACA - 03-30-2010
Dears
I think Yousaf Kazzab was not even worth to be researched upon and we know Allah is best judge to every one's interior and faith. However, we have historically read the incidents of people who were on right path but at some moment diverted and lost the faith entirely.
So, there is no meaning to find out what a person was, previous to commiting something unacceptable. We have the very first example of Azazeel (Iblees) to understand this simple concept.
At the time when some one was not clearly on incorrect path, people typically remain unable to vouch for the future incidents and events that have to be associated with such person. At that time if some one misjudges such a person, and afterwards, corrects his understanding, he cannot be alleged with such things.
Although I believe to "ask for a clarification from some person" is a sole right and power of muslim Government and not of Maulvis (and even Ulemas), I yet attach high importance to the verdict of Dr. Israr's people after finding facts about Zaid. They have cleared him after a social and civilized discussion.
As far as the concept that "yeh fiqah aur shariat ka asool hai keh ulema....aisay shakhs...say clarification maang saktay hain" tu its strange that basis and logic of such "asool" is never found and discussed. Rather, people don't even discuss what I asked about the word "aalim" or "ulema" etc. Anyway, I know this is a baseless self assumed asool if we are in a muslim country and civilized society.
BTW no one here is following Zaid at all. Rather I believe he is also a misdirected over emotional man who will learn the facts of life with the passage of time or will end up doing similar idiotic things. However, at the same time I believe he does not deny the faith and importance of faith on Khatm-e-Nabbuwat.
At the end, I wish to express my perplexed state of mind made up after seeing a link the poster of which himself says he does not want to comment on it. If he does not want to comment then why he posted it. Is he indirectly preaching "their" message by doing so. Such people by doing these things are infact harming the faith of readers and don't just realize it. Bhaai agar post kia hai tu explain karo aur logical reply bhi do. Yaa phir logon ko misdirect mat karo indirectly.
Ajeeb loge hain, Rushdi ke book ko reply nai kartay, uskay qatal ka fatwa dey detay hain. And this indirectly helps him becoming a figure and winning Robinhood title etc and spreading Rushdi's name even to those who were not aware of himand his work. Yahaan link post kar kay unka message un tak bhi pohanchaa dia jin tak kabhi nahi pohancha aur jawab denay ke baari par kehtay hain "I don't want to comment". If you don't want to comment then are you their agent who is posting their links? Allah ka khauf karo yaa aadat he nahi rahi?
BTW qabar ke baat ke tu forann qabar yaad aa gai. Copy tu ham zaroor kartay hain. Aur karein bhi kiaa?
Sara zore laga diya aik muslim ko kazzab ka follower saabit karnay par, phir sawal yeh hai keh usko kaafir/non-muslim kab kaha? Kiaa saadgi hai. Issi tarah ke saadgi misdirected Pakistani Taaliban main bhi hai.
Kamaal hai bhayya.
Regards,
- awaisaftab - 03-30-2010
Dears,
In religious discussion I try my best not to present my personal ideas and thoughts. Secondly I avoid my best not to make a religious issue a problem of my ego. Thirdly, point scoring and to win the field of religious discussion has never been my aim. I take much care in religious discussion because as these types of discussions proceed some people (not on this forum) make them the egoistic problem and pass such statement k Rooh Kanp Jati Ha aur ye khadsha paida ho jata ha k aglay banday ka eman aur Islam mutasir na ho jay. (This is a general statement and not about any forum member)
Look at this statement
âI yet attach high importance to the verdict of Dr. Israr's people after finding facts about Zaid. They have cleared him after a social and civilized discussionâ.
Look at this statement
Although I believe to "ask for a clarification from some person" is a sole right and power of muslim Government and not of Maulvis"
Dr. Israr ki ray ha âkisi shaksh ko kazzab yani jhoota Madayee-e-Nabuwat Qarar Dena ya Na Dena Islami Hukuma ka Kam Ha Aur Islami Hukumat /Sharayee Nizam k Na Hote Huye Ulema-E-Ikram Ki zimedari Ha".
See the link
http//www.tanzeem.org/announcements/zaid%20hamid2.pdf
<b>(Jis mulk main hukumat Shamay Risalat k parwaon pe Khatme Nabuwat ki tehreek chalane pe golain barsay. Qadianiat k khilaf likhne pe ulema ko sazay mout sunay jay (Maulana Maududi and Maulana Abdul Sattar Niazi)Air Force ka chaq o choband dasta Jamate ahmadia k khalifa ko guard of honour pesh kare whan pe ulema ko kia moon main unglian dal ke bheta rehna chaye?? Yousuf Kazzab ko Ulema Court main lay ker aye bad main isi court ne us ko sazay mout sunay? Where was the Govt Of Islamic Republic of Pakistan at that time ?? Ulema believ in peacful movement they filed cases against Ahmedies in courts of law during british rule our religious scholars presented before British coruts (Attaullah shah Bukhari and Maulana Anwar Shah Kashmiri)regarding these cases. Ager Ulemah us waqt medan main na ate to aj qadianion ki tadad kayee gunah ziada hoti. Socialism/communism ka muqabla kis ne kia ??? Jab Punjab University main communist students Allah Tala K Alamti JANAZAY nikal rahay thay (Astaghfirullah) to kon medan main aya ? Pervaizion aur Munkireene Hadeen ko kis ne Nath Dalee?? Kuch log kehte hain k ulemah ne bus inhi 3/4 moqon pe kirdar ada kia qun ke in logon k khayal main ulemah ko dosron ki islah kerne main aur kafir qarar dene main bara maza ata ha. Read the history of war of Independence 1857 us waqt 13000 ulemah ko shaheed kia gaya.)</b>
Whether it will be decided by Ulema or LAY man that what is the authority of Ulemah . Yeh usool to aj k nhn balke qaroone uoola (1st Hijry and after) ke Ulema aru Aimay Ummat k tarteeb diay huy hain. Including Aimay Arba Kia nauzubillah min zalik hum Aimay Arba se ziada deen ki samajh boojh rakhtay hain.
Dears, humary halat to yeh ha k hum ko 1 hadees Urdu main bhee puree trah yad nhn hoti (including me). Mager hamary jurat dekhain k hum discuss ker rahay hain ulemah ki authority, very amazing. Ap logon ne shekh- Ul-Hadees ki term suni hogy ek Sheikh Ul Hadees ko Hazaron k hisab se hadeesain Sanad k sath yad hoti hain. Yeh hazaron ka word main ne waise hi use nhn kia. Ap Ulema se pooch sakte hain . Meri ek sheikh ul Hadees se mulaqat huyee chand sal phele, baton baton main unhon ne batay k un ko 1500 se ziada hadeesain sanad k sath yaad hain zair /zabar ki ghalti k baghair. Baz Ulemah aesay bhee hain jin ko 3000/4000 se bhee ziad hadeesain yad hain.Pakistan main is waqt taqreeban 15,000 se ziada Sheikh Ul Hadees Mojood hain.
Ek aur baat jo Ulema Hadees parhte hain unki ek Sanad hotee hai k kis ne kis se Hadees parhi yeh sanad "Shajray Nasb" type ki hoti ha yani kis Alim ne kis se hadis parhi us Alim k ustad (teacher) ne kis se hadees parhi and so on. Main ne ek Aalim ke yeh sanad dekhi unki yeh sanad Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) tak jati ha. Afsoas aj hum deen se be bhera ho ker in ulema pe tanqeed ker rahay hain. Ulema k baghair mere bhayon hum ek qadam agay nhn chal sakte.
Ager koyee kehta ha k chall saktain hain to ek sawal ka jawab de. Bhains ka doodh hum sub use kertay hain Punjab k villages main is ka gosht bhee use kia jata hai.
Ap main se koyee hadees dekhay jis may behains ko halal janwar qarar dia gaya ho.
Hamari Halat to yeh ha k hamary apne subject per bhee command nhn ha kia koyee CMA/CA mojood ha jis ko IAS/IFRS,CO, ITO yad ho. Our practicing members keep soft copies of IAS/IFRS in laptop and P.Câs to make opinions. But we insist that we have authority to decide what is the authority of religious scholars. 4 hadesain urdu main yad nhn, gusal, wozoo ,warasat, nikah, talaq k masail pata nhn aur chaplain hain ulema ki position define kerne.
It is requested to all members if any one wants to debate me on this topic please come with concrete and specific points and give answers of above asked 12 questions beside questions asked by me in this post. If anyone belief that Zaid Hamid is vicim of any mental disease then he should not comment on this thread regarding authority of ulemas and relating issues. Otherwise other forum members will consider him as a follower of Zaid Hamid. I will again say come with conrete aurgoments.
Ager meri kisi baat se kisi ki dilazari hoyee ho to main mazrat chata hun.
- awaisaftab - 03-30-2010
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, san" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by ausmanpk2001</i>
<br />When Zaid Hamid is openly saying that he believes on khatm-e-nabuat then WHO are you to say that he is a non muslim. Ulema are ignoring whatever he's saying & just keep on repeating their broken record.
When a person says that, how can you judge his heart & say that he's wrong?????????????????????????
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Dear Usman
Main ne jo link dia tha wo is liay dia tha k qadiani kesi strong dalilain detain hain apko mustanad aur authentic hadeeson k hawalay nazar arahay honge aur mera irada tha aur ha k main is link ko delete kerdonga. Jub min ne likha tha k khud parho aur natija nikalo to iska matlab tha k common sense rakhne wala banda bhee parh k andaza ker sakta ha k wo is arguments ka jawab nhn de sakta aur har kisi k pas arguments hote hain . Second purpose yeh tha ke qadinai bhee kehte hain k wo Aqeeday Khatme Nabuwat aur Islam pe eman rakhte hain. Mujh ko pata tha k is ko ek shaks zaroor negative sense main lega. I am preaching qadiayaniat shabash kia statement ha. Yar kuch khuda ka khof karo.
The purpose of providing the link to show that how Ahmedies give arguments. Anyone like Zaid Hamid can give arguments. Kia hum main se koyee bhee yeh jo article ha âAhmadies are true Muslimsâ is ka jawab nhn de sakta. Kia is article main bhee usi qisim k arguments mojood nhn jo zaid Hamid aur us k supporters de rahe hain. I am not declaring Zaid Hamid as Non-Muslim. Baat samjhani thi k qadiani bhee kesee dalail dete hain. Ap kisi qadiani se discussion karain aesee dalilain dega ka ap ko lag pata jay ga. Lekin is ka jawab ulemah de sakte hain aur dia ha. Main is ka jawab qun doon. Is ka jawab wo de jo yeh kehta ha ulemah kee koyee authority nhn aur ulema k bare main negative remarks deta ha. Bhayee jab tum ulema ko value nhn dete to phir apnee knowledge barhao aur us muqam pe phoncho k dushmanane deen ko munh tor jawab de sako Jab deen ka Kakh ilm nhn aur kisi aalim ko nhn mante to qun khama Kahyee main Mufti e Azam ban rahe ho. The purpose of providing link was only that k âHAQ KA MEYAR KASRATE DALAIL PE NHN HAâ. Ap ek dalil dainge agla banda 10 arguments dega.
At one place a person says
<b>"Although I believe to "ask for a clarification from some person" is a sole right and power of muslim Government "</b>
Another place he says
<font color="black"><b>Ajeeb loge hain, Rushdi ke book ko reply nai kartay, uskay qatal ka fatwa dey detay hain</b></font id="black">
Salman Rushdi K qatal ka fatwa sab se phele Hujat-ul-Islam Hazrat Imam Khumeni ne dia tha yeh Iran Ki Govt ka moqif tha aur muhtrahm phele hi Islamic Govt ki authority tasleem ker chuke hain.(lakin statements ki contradiction show kerti ha k muhtram ka poora zor medan marne per aur discussion ka winner banne pe ha ya . Dosri baat kisi baat k bare main pata hi nhn ha na salman Rushdi k bare main na shetani ayat nami kitab k bare main bas daleelain deni hain). Yani kena ka matlab yeh huwa ke Ulema, Iran aur Saudi Arab ki Governments sub ko salman Rushdi K issue pe khamosh rehna chaye tha. Dosre lafzon main har kisi ko kufriat ki ijazat ha aur ager hukumat kuch na kare to Ulema ko bhee khamoshi se bhete rehna chaye.
Jhan tak Salman Rushdi ki bakwas k jawab dene ka taluq ha to ager ap ke buzurgon ko koyee galian de to ap uska âTehqiqi aur Ilmi Jawabâ nhn denge balke uski gardan tor denge.(Asal main log deni mamlat ko bhee apni ana ka masla bana lete hain bare afsoas ki baat ha jo shaks yeh keh raha ha k salman Rushdi ki bakwas ka jawab dena chaye tha usko shaid ye tak nhn pata k salman Rushdi ne apnee kitab Shetani Ayat main Kia bakwasat keen hain kia in bakwasat ka jawab dia jay ??? <b>Afsos Daleel baray Daleel</b>)
- awaisaftab - 03-30-2010
Dear All
Please don't take this discussion as personal issue. Don't initiate further issues and don't raise irrelevant questions. Be specific and be precise, if possible.
- awaisaftab - 03-30-2010
This is the answer of "Ahmadies are True Mulims"
http//www.irshad.org/info_m/writings/moududpq.php
- kamranACA - 03-31-2010
Dears
I doubt yeh shakhs paagal ho gaya hai. Again came with the words about ulema's authority (who in fact are not ulemas) but failed to prove his point by beating about. Rather, even failed to tell what is "ulema" or "aalim" in fact; how they can call theirselves as aalim as weoftenly see.
As far as Zaid Hamid's issue is concerned, tu agar koi paagal ho jaaey and due to unsound mind feel that others are his followers then it makes no difference. Mainay tu pehlay he bataya hai keh in "parrots" ke itni he auqaat hai. Iss say zayada kar bhi kia saktay hain.
Rahi baat qadiyanion ke tu woh tu credit hai Z. A. Bhutto ka, jo kisi ka baap bhi uss say nahi lay saktaa. Warna every man who knows this story knows very well where our so many Ulema were leading the whole endeavor to. I have already told the story. No need to dig out the burried bones again.
When you will post link without comments then its only a misdirecting destructive thing unless it provides both views.
Rahi baat Dr. Israr ke tu I am too clear that even he or his fellows don't have an authority to ask clarification; I just quoted their finding and attached importance to that finding; jis kay baawajood aik paagal aadmi kee "-----" band nai hui. (Deliberately not mentioned). I have been mentioning and am again mentioning that no aalim has such authority. Aur "aalim" bhi woh jo khud ko aalim kehtay hain. Aksariyet khud apnay naam kay saath "maulana" likhti hai. Aur woh aalimjin ke aksariyet Allah kay kalaam aur Islam kay naam par rozi talaash karti hai.
Certainly a few qualitative real Ulema are not being discussed.
Rahi baat Rushdi kee tu betaa jee how you dumb know that I am not aware what he wrote in his book? Simply like you don't regard our Govt as Islamic, I also don't regard the action of a Govt valid that is illegal, illogical, unjust, extra judicial and that indirectly is promoting the name of a Dajjaal like Rushdi (even if it is done by a Govt).
You can capture him, run a case against him, and penalize him provided tumhaari itni auqaat ho. Otherwise qatal ka fatwa khud muslims ka apnaa mazaaq hai. Baat ka jawab hai nahi aur qatal kar do. Kia zehan paya hai.
Aik sawal ka jawab he day do; uss aurat ko (yaa uss jaisay logon ko) muslims nay (fatah Makkah) kay baad kyun qatal nahi kia jo Prophet PBUH kay ooper dust ke tokri gira deti thee (Naoozbillah). Hazoor PBUH kyun uskaa paani bhartay rahay? Hinda ko qatal kyun nahi kia Fatah Makkah hotay hee? I know "parrots" ke samajh main nahi aaey ga?
"Parrots" does not even know that Rushdi's book has been replied effectively by some one muslim but unfortunately kisi Iran aur Saudi hakoomat nay uski projection nahi kee jitni honi chaahiyay thee. Rather due to dumb mind efforts they promoted the book of Rushdi. Just like a link has been posted in previous posts. Kisi "ulema" ko taufeeq nahi pari ho ge keh uss book ko bhi parh lain. This is what such so-called "ulema" means.
Paani main madhaani khud daal kay bethay hain saahib aur doosron ko talqeen kartay hain specific rehnay kee.
Hadeeson kee ta'daad kia word "parrots" kay against ginwaai hai? It's amazing effort. Bhayya ta'daad say kia hota hai. Tehqeeq bhi karo aur samjho bhi. I am sorry to say but just to remind that rattaa tu "perrots" bhi acha lagaatey hain.
Regards,
- Osama Rules - 03-31-2010
Salam,
I just want some views on this
Islam says that it is our duty as muslims to fight against anyone who claims enemity against Islam openly.So this mean that we have to do all we can to make sure that guy/gal gets what he/she deserves!
Ofcourse first all legal means must be tried but what to do if they seems not to be working??
I hope I am not being a thread hijacker here!
Regards.
- kamranACA - 03-31-2010
Osama
You will be the biggest destroyers if you will try to take law and authorities in your hands and if you will do extra judicial emotional things.
You will do nothing but Naoozbillah promote hatred of people against Islam; the people who can be converted to Islam and towards whom it is our duty to convey a good message of Allah.
This will harm the cause of Islam and we have seen results of such idiotic things. In Rushdi's case, we were affected and victims but due to our negative efforts and destructive approach the whole world is standing with Rushdi now. Although all kuffar is one nation, still we don't know how to present a valid case to safe gaurd the interest of muslims and Islam. Hamaaray Ulema "Jamshed Dasti" jaisay hotay hain. Jamshed was protesting against a women rights law; media asked "have you studied the draft". He replied, "No". Yeh tu haalat hai.
One more thing; if law is not doing some thing and you will take avenge at your own, law and society will never treat you as innocent; rather you yourself become an equal criminal. Just apply same rule in case of murder where law does not punish the murderer. What will you be called if you will take avenge at your own and murder the other. You will be called a "murderer" as well, although you had a valid case and irrespective that revenge was your right.
We have to understand that we are living in the word of 21st century. You cannot get back to zamana-e-Jahliyat when all these things were sorted out by "might is right" formula specially when you are not a "MIGHT" as well.
"You" means and includes every one including me.
Here the matter of Zaid Hamid has been raised and all powers and authorities are being given to so-called Ulema (jo khud zyada-tar Jamshed Dasti hotay hain) that they should call for clarifications and they should decide his faith (that's totally a matter between Abad and Allah), that they are empowered to other necessary things.
Yaar Khuda ke panaah; can any one tell where from this term "Ulema" emerged and where Quran and Hadees and Law have given them such powers and authorities? Are we carrying a destructive approach? Tabaah karna hai sab kuch? Yeh saarey Maulvi kahaan say certified hain keh inkaa eemaan he theek aur salaamat hai? Har Maulvi (of one sect) doosray maulvi (of other sect) ko ghalat aur kaafir samjhta hai aur doosray kay eeman aur faith ko ghalat maantaa hai? Kaisay yeh sab khud theek ho saktay hain? Have people not seen recent incidents of Faisalabad where these "ulema" were going to destroy the peace for their own issues? Yeh Aalim hotay hain, Allah muaaf rakhay aisay aalimon say. That's why I say keh big tummy, long beared and a piece of cloth on shoulders does not make out an aalim. The ones who find their livlihood by selling Allah's Ayaat-e-Kareema have been cursed. I am sorry to say but majority of these so-called Ulema is doing similar things and to promote their economic activity keep on raising such issues.
Yahan shreef aur sachay logon ka woh haal hota hai jo Sarfraz Naeemee saahib ka hua; I just remind you that "sach" (truth) and "purity" is very very rare. Agar yeh galiyon main chalti phirti mil jaaey tu Muslims kee woh haalat kabhi na ho jo ab hai.
Every one has to be answerable for his acts and deeds, yeh kaun hain? Have they to lie in others's graves? Agar kisi ko koi issue hai yah fitna ka darr hai tu he should adapt proper justified course as was done in case of Yousaf Kazzab. Khud decision karna chaahay woh theek bhi ho, kisi Aalim, Maulvi ya meray jaisay kaa kaam nahi.
Yeh aik baat aqal main nahi aa rahi aur ham paani main madhani chala rahay hain to prove Zaid Hamid a kaafir and follower of Yousaf Kazzab because he called some maulvis as "do takkay kay maulvi". Zaid Hamid, who has time and again explained his firm belief on Khatam-e-Nabbuwat. Yaar aik Muslim kay saath kitna zulam hai agar "parrots" usko civil society kay saamnay kaafir bana kar khara kar dein. Woh parrots jo khud aik doosray ke nazar main kaafir hain. Allah ke panaah.
I hope my point is clear now.
Regards,
- awaisaftab - 03-31-2010
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, san" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by kamranACA</i>
<br />Dears
Rahi baat Rushdi kee tu betaa jee how you dumb know that I am not aware what he wrote in his book? Simply like you don't regard our Govt as Islamic, I also don't regard the action of a Govt valid that is illegal, illogical, unjust, extra judicial and that indirectly is promoting the name of a Dajjaal like Rushdi (even if it is done by a Govt).
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Dears you have seen the wording of this man. Pagal main nahin hun jab kisi shaks k pass koyee daleel na ho to wo dosre k bare main aol fol hi bakta ha. Jis shaks ko baat kerne ki tameez na ho us se ap kia expect ker sakte hain. Ek hat dhram, ana parast ulmah se na waqif shaks musalsal lamby lamby postain ker raha ha . Ek taraf to kehta ha k mera zaid Hamid se koyee tuluq nhn ha dosree taraf discussion ko long kerne k harbe istimal ker raha ha. Jub zaid Hamid se koyee taluq nhn ha to phir jao chill kero apna kam kare tumhe matlab.
Is shaks ki zehni halat ka andaza ap is k in alfaz se laga sakte hain
<font color="red">Rahi baat Rushdi kee tu betaa jee how you dumb know that I am not aware what he wrote in his book? Simply like you don't regard our Govt as Islamic, I also don't regard the action of a Govt valid that is illegal, illogical, unjust, extra judicial and that indirectly is promoting the name of a Dajjaal like Rushdi (even if it is done by a Govt). </font id="red">
Jab koyee ana parast hat dharam shaks koyee daleel nhn de sakta to wo aesy hi batain kia kerta ha.(Is tarah ka shaks apni khayali aur emaginary world main rehta ha aur apni is duniya main 130 Km/hour ke speed se car drive kerta ha)
<b>Fatwa of Hazrat Ayatollah Ruhollah Imam Khomeini (R.A)
"I would like to inform all the intrepid Muslims in the world that the author of the book entitled 'Satanic Verses'. . . as well as those publishers who were aware of its contents, are hereby sentenced to death. I call on all zealous Moslems to execute them quickly, wherever they find them, so that no one will dare to insult Islamic sanctity. Whoever is killed doing this will be regarded as a martyr and will go directly to heaven."</b>
Na tum islamic Govt's ko mante ho
Na Ulema ko mante ho
Na Ijmay Ummat ko mante ho
Na salf Saleheen ko mante ho
Na Aimay arba ko mante ho
<b>Aakhir mante kis ko ho ???</b>
<font color="blue"><b>Is shaks ne Imam Khumeni k fatway ka mazaq ura ker Na sirf Ahle Tashi Musalmanon ki toheen ki ha balke ittahade ummat ko bhee nuqsan phonchaya ha. Imam Khumeni sirf Ahle Tashi nhn balke tamam musalmanon k leader hain. Wo azeem imam jis ne america ki aonkhon main ankhe dal ker bat ki . Jo is saddy ka sab se bara inqilab le ker aya jo sari umer ittahade ummat k liay kam kerta raha aj ek shaks apni ray ko us azeem imam ke fatway pe tarjeeh de raha ha. Allah hum sab ki easy logon se hifazat farmay inhi ana parast secular logon ki wajah se aj ummat ikhtilaf ka shikar ha. Yeh log apni chmari bachane aur ulema se apni dushmani chukane ke liay musalmanon k ikhtilafat ko namak mirch laga ker bayan kerte hain. Muslamanon k tamam sects main 90% chzain mushtarik hain(sirf Fazail main ikhtilaf ha). Iran ki Govt her sal puri duniya ke tamam sects k ulema ko bulatee ha aur sab ulema ek imam ke pechay namaz parhte hain yeh ittahade ummat ka ek azeem manzar hota ha.</b></font id="blue">