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Directed Towards Administrator - Desert Sleet - 03-23-2005

I want to draw your attention towards another subject.

Let me say that while I believe there are fundamental, systemic problems with the way things are beeing administered in this forum and that there is great room for improvement, It still seems to me that lack of Moderators has as much to do with problem as there isnt anyone to instill in our members a sense of responsibility and appreciation for their contributions. Learning is hard work that requires a discipline that our some members are lacking. Members these days are taught to be more in tune with their rights than with any responsibilites. They are no longer taught to "be seen and not heard", rather they are encouraged to express there opinions as they were indespensible facts of life. While this may make childish members, who are too lazy to instill discipline, feel better, it makes it extremely difficult for Admin to manage when you get over 1500 members, who have never been properly taught or conveyed the Guidelines of this forum.

As for this system, I agree that the ship cannot be turned around in 1 or 2 days and I also don't think only having only 1 moderator for the entire system is necessarily the best way to do it. However, I do think the key to improving our forum is increased competition at all levels - between members, between guests, and between moderators.

This system enjoys a monopoly - a thing that Admin ,for good reason, goes to great lengths to prevent from occurring it. Monopolies,in general, are considered unhealthy and undesirable because, they lack competition.

The only way to get rid of this monopoly situation such that members are truly in competition with others and discuss everything while behaving within the prescribed rules is to make moderators. The only way to do this is to ask some members (whom admin wishes) to volunteer.

This is a perfectly fair and sensible proposition. If I didn't understand the union politics behind it's oppositon, I would, on the face of it, think that this was Liberal Democrat idea to "level the playing field" and provide "equality of opportunity". But in this case, the Democratic party is curiously opposed to this idea that would probably stablize this Accountancy Community.

I don't think I'm being cynical when I suggest that the reason for this uncharacteristically anti-egalitiarian position of the members is that there isnt any one to guide them. You will find moderators in most of the forums then why isnt this forum among there list.

Exactly how real competitive reforms will be implemented is a matter for debate, but I think that until such reforms takes place, the system of this forum will remain exactly what you would expect from a unionized monopoly - low quality and non-competetive. Many of our members today are trapped and are unaware of the rules of posting and non-serious members have even suggested that they have any agenda beyond the noble one of "Freedom of speech", thus, they avoid any accountability for their failures and protect their own monopoly. This is classic "special interest politics", but because the there unions are so large, and there isnt anyone else than Admin to control them so they are beyond reproach in the eyes of many, lest one be accused of being a flamer(topics like flirting, pornstars) - which is about like being called a puppy killer.

I don't blame members, I blame our system which doesnt have any Moderators who could firmly oppose any attempts to make real competitive reforms - which is the surest way, in my mind, to make a lasting improvement in this forum system.

Having no Moderators is the reason for the inevitable failure that we've seen in the past months and it's time responsible people recognize that by having no moderator they are blocking any meaningful reform and we are paying the price. Our properly placed reverence for the Moderators ought not blind us to this reality.

So I Request Admin to Assign Moderators so this forum can be Set Right Back On Track.

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âLittle minds are tamed and subdued by misfortune; but great minds rise above it.â

- admin - 03-27-2005

Desert Sleet

We had sent you an earlier email whose reply we have not yet received. It could mean that the email address you have entered is not valid. Kindly enter a valid email address in your profile so that we can contact you on the above mentioned topic.

- poor_ophie - 03-27-2005

Finally ...... DS has shown his cards ...... he wants to rule this forum ...... CHCHCHCHCHCHCH ...... I ave always wondered about a guy being so perfect, nice and positive ...... in less than three months he has almost overcome the whole forum ..... Just another hijacker after mani and sawalat ....... sorry mate ...... I never liked the one thing you always tried to achieve ....... perfection ........ you dont need to tell people around here about running these forums ....... welcome to the real world

- Desert Sleet - 03-27-2005

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Admin
 Desert Sleet

We had sent you an earlier email whose reply we have not yet received. It could mean that the email address you have entered is not valid. Kindly enter a valid email address in your profile so that we can contact you on the above mentioned topic.
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Thanks for the attention. Subsequently i have updated my E-mail
address.So you can now contact me at the specified email address found whithin my profile. [email protected]

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âLittle minds are tamed and subdued by misfortune; but great minds rise above it.â

- abdulmajid - 03-28-2005

to desert sleight.
[D][D]acche bacche shikaetein nahi lagate[p]

- abdulmajid - 03-28-2005

this person, desert sleet, is trying to present himself as mr. clean, but see what he has written for me <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Abdul, I can be a complete and total idiot. The most defenseless person on the planet and you can still be full of Sh-it. This has nothing to do with me. This is about your abilities to back up your own claims. Such deflection onto me only indicates that you are just another lying sack of Sh-it that relies on the ignorance of the reader to allow you to conflate your vacuous ideas with more credible explanations. All you gotta do is support your own claims. So put up or shut up<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
using the word **** 3 times. i admit i have rediculed his way of writting but never used dirty language for him. because that's not my way, some other members on this forum have also used quite unacceptable words for me, like that guy zubair-acma-acca he has written <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">yeah ,
no more posts for this stupid piece of sh*t,
shouldn't be allowed in here in the future,
see u on ur way to hell pal on jugment day,
u piece of filthy trash!!!!!!!1<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
and <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">hey what's ur problem man????????
atleast respect the name that your parents gave u even if u don't respect your religion.
why don't u come in the open & let anyone from this forum beat the livin' hell outta ur no good pathetic sorry ass!!!!!!!!!!
come on we r waitin' u westernised son of a bitch !

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other members will appreciate that i never abused any other member and never used bad language even if someone else has used dirty words, i either refrained form replying or didn't use the same kind of words. once zubair-acma-acca had called me the son of a bitch and in reply i had called him son of a mother, then just to tease him i removed the word mother and placed dots. not for a second i thought of using any bad words, because i respect mothers.
i am strongly of the opinion, that if any person use dirty language, he must be stopped from posting, no matter if he has already posted 200 posts or just 10. every one must be treated equally. being a senior member dosen't give u a clean chit but demand more responsibility.
in the end i am sorry if i have hurt anybody's feelings.

inta habieba omri, malikta omri

- sohana_is_back - 03-28-2005

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by abdulmajid
 this person, desert sleet, is trying to present himself as mr. clean, but see what he has written for me <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Abdul, I can be a complete and total idiot. The most defenseless person on the planet and you can still be full of Sh-it. This has nothing to do with me. This is about your abilities to back up your own claims. Such deflection onto me only indicates that you are just another lying sack of Sh-it that relies on the ignorance of the reader to allow you to conflate your vacuous ideas with more credible explanations. All you gotta do is support your own claims. So put up or shut up<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
using the word **** 3 times. i admit i have rediculed his way of writting but never used dirty language for him. because that's not my way, some other members on this forum have also used quite unacceptable words for me, like that guy zubair-acma-acca he has written <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">yeah ,
no more posts for this stupid piece of sh*t,
shouldn't be allowed in here in the future,
see u on ur way to hell pal on jugment day,
u piece of filthy trash!!!!!!!1<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
and <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">hey what's ur problem man????????
atleast respect the name that your parents gave u even if u don't respect your religion.
why don't u come in the open & let anyone from this forum beat the livin' hell outta ur no good pathetic sorry ass!!!!!!!!!!
come on we r waitin' u westernised son of a bitch !

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other members will appreciate that i never abused any other member and never used bad language even if someone else has used dirty words, i either refrained form replying or didn't use the same kind of words. once zubair-acma-acca had called me the son of a bitch and in reply i had called him son of a mother, then just to tease him i removed the word mother and placed dots. not for a second i thought of using any bad words, because i respect mothers.
i am strongly of the opinion, that if any person use dirty language, he must be stopped from posting, no matter if he has already posted 200 posts or just 10. every one must be treated equally. being a senior member dosen't give u a clean chit but demand more responsibility.
in the end i am sorry if i have hurt anybody's feelings.

inta habieba omri, malikta omri
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10/10 to this post
ya he is like that...tum ko to pata ha koch log ase hotay hain dosro ko nasiyat aur kod....
well forgot it
hey why not u comewith som e more topics>
let the others crying

- Desert Sleet - 03-28-2005

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by abdulmajid
 this person, desert sleet, is trying to present himself as mr. clean, but see what he has written for me

using the word **** 3 times. i admit i have rediculed his way of writting but never used dirty language for him. because that's not my way, some other members on this forum have also used quite unacceptable words for me, <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Instead of idiot would a make a bit of difference if I said, 'a foolish or stupid person', or ignoramus, or clueless, or uninformed. For some reason you think that the intent of the words has changed if a seemingly more "civilized" version is used. The vulgar forms of the intended idea just happens to be more expressive, but they are still evaluative. If the person knows what they are talking about and can back it up then it will not matter what I call them. It will be trivial for them to show me up as the idiot. In the case of Abdul I gave him several opportunities to show me up with out the more expressive evaluative comments. It didn't matter in his case because he was as I claimed. He was an idiot for persisting in pretending to know something about Islam when he knew very little at all. This was dishonest and his persistence made him compulsively dishonest and my expressive use of lying sack of **** in no way changed the facts. Again, you do not seem to object to what I have said, just the way I said it. I don't see why it is germane that you do not like my means of expression when you agree with what is expressed. My expression is my own. You may do it as you wish.

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âLittle minds are tamed and subdued by misfortune; but great minds rise above it.â

- abdulmajid - 03-28-2005

thanks everybody who have suppprted me directly or indirectly; sohana, poor_ophie and amj.[D] hope the administrators realise that that "mad elephent" is trying to crush(somhow) other members. every one's ideas should be respected, and not a single person should be allowed to hijack this fantastic forum.

inta habieba omri, malikta omri

- Desert Sleet - 03-28-2005

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by abdulmajid
 thanks everybody who have suppprted me directly or indirectly; sohana, poor_ophie and amj.[D] hope the administrators realise that that "mad elephent" is trying to crush(somhow) other members. every one's ideas should be respected, and not a single person should be allowed to hijack this fantastic forum.

inta habieba omri, malikta omri
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Basically the topics you brings up are simply nonsense, together with the meaningless context u presents ur views in, and the hatefull way of defending ur views, which I find despicable. Let me clear that Religion is a real sensitive issue and no one can tolerate any kind of mud throwing on it, and i am just one of the many.

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âLittle minds are tamed and subdued by misfortune; but great minds rise above it.â

- sohana_is_back - 03-28-2005

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Desert Sleet
 <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by abdulmajid
 thanks everybody who have suppprted me directly or indirectly; sohana, poor_ophie and amj.[D] hope the administrators realise that that "mad elephent" is trying to crush(somhow) other members. every one's ideas should be respected, and not a single person should be allowed to hijack this fantastic forum.

inta habieba omri, malikta omri
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Basically the topics you brings up are simply nonsense, together with the meaningless context u presents ur views in, and the hatefull way of defending ur views, which I find despicable. Let me clear that Religion is a real sensitive issue and no one can tolerate any kind of mud throwing on it, and i am just one of the many.

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âLittle minds are tamed and subdued by misfortune; but great minds rise above it.â
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LOOK AT THIS CUTEST MAN IN THIS WORLD WHO THINKS THAT HIS VIEWS R BEST
HEY BEST R THOSE WHO TRY TO PROVE BY WORDS NOT BY THEIR BAD LANGUAGE
AGAR TUM KO KOI TOPIC ACHA NAHI LAGTA TO OS MA TANG MAT ARAYA KARO NA BATO NA ARAM SA APNAY BOOR TOPICS MA LAGAY RAHO HAMARA MAZA KU KARAB KARTAY HO
WELL
BYE KAFI HA AJ KA LEEYA
AB KARA EMIAL ADM KO RO RO KAR KA YA PIR A GAE HA IS KO BLOCK KARO

- Desert Sleet - 03-28-2005

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sohana_is_back
LOOK AT THIS CUTEST MAN IN THIS WORLD WHO THINKS THAT HIS VIEWS R BEST
HEY BEST R THOSE WHO TRY TO PROVE BY WORDS NOT BY THEIR BAD LANGUAGE
AGAR TUM KO KOI TOPIC ACHA NAHI LAGTA TO OS MA TANG MAT ARAYA KARO NA BATO NA ARAM SA APNAY BOOR TOPICS MA LAGAY RAHO HAMARA MAZA KU KARAB KARTAY HO
WELL
BYE KAFI HA AJ KA LEEYA
AB KARA EMIAL ADM KO RO RO KAR KA YA PIR A GAE HA IS KO BLOCK KARO
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That is my intent here, Miss Sohana and Abdul seem to be paddling their little canoe of zero morals in the slough of individual criminal intent. If Sohanas debate exposes her true nature, I have no compunction about posting accurate quotes in this thread.

And we should Not forget that it was Sohanas posts which started this recent debate i personally found her post in no way constructive and simply un-required as it only stood to cause trouble.

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âLittle minds are tamed and subdued by misfortune; but great minds rise above it.â

- zubair-acma-acca - 03-29-2005

HEY ABDUL & SOHANA !
U GUYS BETTER SPIT UR VIEWS ON APNIISP.COM,
THEY HAVE VARIUOS IDIOTIC MEMBERS LIKE U ACTIVE IN THIER FORUMS.
SO GO AHEAD THERE,
SPARE US THE AGONY OF SEEING U AGAIN U LOW HEADED NARROW MINDED "BONNIE & CLYDE".
GO AND THROW UR SH*T SOMEWHERE ELSE .

- zubair-acma-acca - 03-29-2005

that's it ,
i'm requesting u dear moderator ke u block these 2 stupid juggheads from ever entering this professional forum.
i perfectly agree with desertsleet on this.
just look at the way she has addressed a senior here.
and u sohana !
u no good worthless little brat!
i'm not gonna respond to ur posts anymore here.
and as far going to anywhere is concerned,
i don't have take ur advice u mindless bi**h!

- BOB - 03-30-2005

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by hira
 hi
yaaar plz app log mat laroo .
every one has to be respected..especially senior..bcoz they halp us and guide us so Mr.moderator plz do something..
warna achay log yahan say bhi chalay jay gay .. or yah bhi ak boring forum ray jay ga..
bye
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Admin, long time no coverage. Please assign someone as moderator in this forum, as i already pointed out this is essential. Looking forward for a reply from you soon.