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Kashmir Hamara Hay,Kashmir Say Dehli Tak........ - Muhammad Amir - 03-29-2008
When he was in prison at âTEHARR JAILâ in âINDIAâ Maulana Masood Azhar Sahab(Hifzullah) (Current Chief of JAISH-E-MUHAMMAD(Sallalahu Allihe Wassalam)) has written some glorious poems this is one of those glorious poems.
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Kashmir Hamara hay, Kashmir Hamara hay,
Kashmir say Dehli tak yeh mulk hamara hay
Hum tan man dhan warein Kashmir ki wade par
Har qatraah-e-Khoon qurban teri azadi par
Teri khak ka har zarra dil-o-jann say payara hay
Kashmir Hamara hay, Kashmir Hamara hay,
Kashmir say Dehli tak yeh mulk hamara hay
Kashmir ki wade kay mazloom musalmanoo
Ay sabar kay kohh-saroo jazbat kay toofanoo
Kashmir ki wade nay phir tum ko pukara hay
Kashmir Hamara hay, Kashmir Hamara hay,
Kashmir say Dehli tak yeh mulk hamara hay
Hum jail kay darwaazay ik zarrb say torren gy
Ab hind kay chayloon ko zinda nahe chooreen gy
Har shakhs kay hoontoon par takbeer ka naarah hay
Kashmir Hamara hay, Kashmir Hamara hay,
Kashmir say Dehli tak yeh mulk hamara hay
Phir Quom-e-Muhammad(S.A.W) ko woh shooq-e-shahadat day
Taghouut-e-Zamana ko yeh jang ki daâawat day
Ya Rab teri Nusrat hi hum sab ka sahara hay
Kashmir Hamara hay, Kashmir Hamara hay,
Kashmir say Dehli tak yeh mulk hamara hay
Phir Goonnj sunaei day Takbeer kay naaroon ki
Taqdeer badal jaey Wade kay chaannaroon ki
Eâman ki kirnoon say pur noor nazara hay
Kashmir Hamara hay, Kashmir Hamara hay,
Kashmir say Dehli tak yeh mulk hamara hay
Ghazni kay mujahid jab Kashmir may aaâen gy
Phir Bhaarte Fojjon ko meedaan say bhagaaen gy
Khud hind kahay gaa hann Kashmir tumhara hay
Kashmir Hamara hay, Kashmir Hamara hay,
Kashmir say Dehli tak yeh mulk hamara hay
Hum Shooq-e-Shahadat ka toufan uthaein gy
Dehli kay qilaay par hum parcham lehraein gy
Kyun buzdil bharat nay hum ko lalkara hay
Kashmir Hamara hay, Kashmir Hamara hay,
Kashmir say Dehli tak yeh mulk hamara hay
Rasool Allah(Sallalahu Allihe Wassalam) nay Hindustan ka zikar kartay huway irshad farmaya kay Aik lashkar tum ko sath lay kar Hindustan say Jehad karay ga nateejay mein Allah(Subhanahu Wa Taâala) un ko fatah dy ga hatta kay who un kay badshahoon aur barsar-e-iqtiddar tabqay ko hathkarioon mein jakar kar lain gay, Allah(Subhanahu Wa Taâala) un mujahedeen kay gunahhon ko muaâaf farma dy ga pas jab who is karawaie say fariegh hoon gy to uss waqt hazrat Eesaa-Ibn-e-Maryum(Allihe-m-assalam) ko shaam mein paaein gy.</b>
But due to roshan khyal policy of Pakistan army because they are acting as agents of America and Israel I would say
Kal Talak Manzil Nazar Aaatee Thi Milta Tha Surror
Abb To Rastay Bhe Dikhaie Dy Rahay Hain Door Door
Kufar-o-Islam kay aakhrei maâarkay may Islam ki madad kejiay apnay mujahid bhaion kay liay dua kijiay aur Allah(Subhanahu Wa Taâala) say maddad-o-nusrat talab kijiay.
Ummat-e-Muslima ki tamam ter pareeshanioon ka hal Kufar kay khilaf Aamlie Iqdamie Jehad may pooshheda hay, Mujaheedeen kay hath mazboot kar kay he hum kufr ko shikast dy saktay hain.
Regards,
Muhammad Amir
- Sarfaraz - 03-29-2008
JAZAKALLAH
nice sharing ....
ALLAH ki zameen par qanoon bhi ALLAH hi ka hona chahiye ..
chahay kashmir ho chahay ajmeer ho ...
chahay roos ho chahay cheen ho
chahay ameriaca ho chahay australia ho
issi main humanity ki bhalai hai
humain chahiye k ALLAH k deen ki dawat sab ko puhanchaye bahtareen tareeqay so
for example jaisay aj kal zakir naik hifz ullah kar rahay hain .....
- Muhammad Amir - 03-31-2008
Dear Sarfaraz, Da'awat jehad ka ik component hay.
Islam nay humain 3 components batay hain.
1)Da'awat-e-Islam
2)Jizia
3)JEHAD BIS SAIF(KUFR-O-ZANDAQAY KI GARDANAIN TORNAY KAY LIAY)
In my view current Da'awat system has no link with JEHAD and it is some thing like(Shikast khordah tabqay ki aakhri koshish).
I know you will not agree with me but this is true.
Regards,
Muhammad Amir
- kamranACA - 03-31-2008
Dears,
May I again raise same question. Jehad is Farz, we all know and we have no doubt in it.
But why only Kashmir?
Why not at Illah-abad, Gujrat etc? Is there some specific reason for choosing and announcing Kashmir only?
Further, did India historically pertained to Muslims only?
Moreover, is it necessary for muslims to control and own every part of the world? If we wish to do it, would it be suitable given our circumstances, knowledge and technical advancement?
Furthermore, is there any motivation from Islam to become so touchy with areas and boundries?
Can we discuss this logically and calmly?
The above poem, I am sorry to say, does not appeal to me. This should not make others to be offensive. I don't find this poem logical. Problem could be with me as well.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
- Astute Accountant - 04-02-2008
I can anticipate some interesting debate......... after such a long time...... *laughing*
- kamranACA - 04-02-2008
Dear Astute,
Every one's school of thought is respectable. I don't criticise anything in this post. I simply raise an issue which might be taken as controvercial by readers.
However, I feel that if we show the other world our aim to occupy the whole world, kill the non muslims or make them our JAZYA payers if they don't become muslim and other similar intents, would it be justified? Is it Jehad? No land is mine just by the reason that some one muslim ruler in Past occupied it. So how can we say this. What will happen if others also start singing same poems about muslim countries.
Infact USA and others are doing same in so many areas with Muslims to whom we call what not and what not. Is not it strange if we also have same intents embedded in our minds. Just to have claims on lands, resources and wealth etc.
I know there could be so many other reasons in Jehad at Kashmir. But my question is twofold. If this is the reason why we had ever been concentrating on Kashmir and not other parts of India where so many muslims are being killed.
Secondly, do our claims as to lands and resources are justified and whether every one is supposed to be occupied or governed by us and those who dont pay JAZYA to us are suppose dto be killed. Is it a power game as such in this sense. If yes then what is difference between the approach of Bush and ours.
I simply wish ti be guided on these issues.
This is no offense I think.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
- nakaiun - 04-05-2008
u must be joking man abey bahi phelay pakistan ko tu manage kar lo aur kashmir chayai [D][D]Pakistan main itnay baray baray prob hain anhay tu solve karo
- kamranACA - 04-05-2008
Dears,
In my humble views Kashmir is a political issue instead of religious one. Governments endeavored to make it religious issue in the era when Jehadies were the most favorite persons for USA. By doing this, earlier governments tried to took political and regional benefits. This could have happened on both sides of the border.
I don't comment on the innocent Shaheeds of this fight who gave their lives for the sake of God's blessings. Allah knows better what is their reward with him.
However, I don't personally feel Kashmir's fight as Jehad. People can disagree with my statement and I have full regard for each members views.
It's really hard to accept the things contrary to our emotional and religious attachments specially where we have lost decades on following such concept. This always happened in the history. We can look back.
I agree with NAKAIUN's message in the above post.
Best regards,
KAMRAN.
- israrhere - 04-06-2008
So Kamran bhai there is no concept of jehad for one's land....?
- nakaiun - 04-07-2008
there is concept of jehad abey bahi pakistan kay buget 60 to 70% army kha rahi hay ya kaya karnai liya rakhi hay 16 millin people par hakomat karnay hay liya kaya pura mulk destroy kardiya ain loogon nay there no instition only one army 7th largest army kis kay liya hay ???????
sara buget kha rahay hain jo mulk ki development par lagna chahiya ta
people of pakistan jehad karain aur ya mazay karain gurbat main bis rahay hain [(!][(!]
- Muhammad Amir - 04-07-2008
I wonder how a person having a postfix of prestigious ACA and claiming to be the most knowledgeable person even claiming to be more knowledgeable then Ulaâama-e-kram can ask this question.
Secondly this poem was not posted for particular person or for people of particular framework and background.
Anyway, let I explain this, there are two types of Jehad
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1) JEHAD-E- IQDAMIE
2) JEHAD-E-DEFAIE
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WHAT IS JEHAD-E-IQDAMIE?
As it is apparent from its name this jehad is held in the supervision of an ammer-ul-moâomeneen, simply speaking it is held in the supervision of the leader of a country, small groups canât do jehad-e-iqdamie at their own discrete, in this jehad ameer-ul-moâomeneen send the message of Allah(S.W.T) and Rasool(Sallahu Allihe Wasallaam) to the leader of Kafir nation or country this phase is the phase of Daawat-e-Islam if they(Kafirs) decline the Daawat of Islam then Ammer send them a message to pay JIZIA and in the return of that jizia muslims will give them protection of their lives, property and their religious independence. If they(Kafirs) also decline this offer then Ammer-Ul-Moâomeneen send them a message of jehad, for jehad-e-iqdamie islam said that muslims must have to protect the lives of innocents like kids, old people, women, those who have sheltered in prayer places, muslims are only ordered to kill those who came to fight against islam and muslims.
Unfortunately muslims have left Jehad-e-Iqdamie since decades.
WHAT IS JEHAD-E-DEFAIE?
As it is apparent from its name this jehad is performed to defend the offense of Kuffar examples of Jehad-e-Defaie is Jehad-e-Kashmir, Afghanistan, Iraq, Falasteen, Chechnya, Bosnia and etc. In case of Jehad-e-Defaie small groups can perform jehad against kuffar.
Now, wherever muslims are doing Jehad-e-Defaie it is our responsibility to help them and when muslim leader(Ameer-ul-Moâomeneen) ask our people to do Jehad-e-Iqdamie for example against Israel or America or India then it will be our obligation to do Jehad, whoever decline the call of ameer will be guilty of a worst sin.
So Illah-abad, gujrat and similar areas are under the governance of Indian government and if muslims of that locality are being killed by Indians so this is not the obligation on small groups to do jehad in that locality nevertheless, they have to do whatever they can do for their muslim brothers, to do jehad with India first we have to establish khlifat in any muslim country then in the leadership of ammer of that country we will do jehad.
The simplest reason for doing jehad in Kashmir and not in other areas like gujrat and illah abad is that Jehad-e-Kashmir <b>was</b> previously supported and sponsored by Pakistani agencies and Kashmir is near to us while Illah abad and Gujrat is out of reach and pakistani agencies has no interest in that locality.
Waisay to hamary buzurg hazraat aur peer-e-shariat-o-tareeqat(Daamat Barkatihim-ul-aalia) nay roshan khayaloon say behas karnay ko mana kia hay magar yeh waqt ki zurorat bhi hay, may nay bohot dinoon say choup(quietness) ka rozah bhe hazraat kay kehnay per rakha hoa tha.
Aur Jehad karna waysay bhe MARDOON ka kaam hay sinf-e-nazuk ko to gharoon may he bethna chahiaye.
Regards,
Muhammad Amir
- kamranACA - 04-07-2008
Dears,
It's a good topic to clarify the ambiguities in the minds. I mean the ambiguities which one group has to support his belief and the ambiguities the other one has to support his own belief and understanding. Yes, no wonder if some one feeling his-self religious (in current scenario) comes down the track and uses personal and un-ethical words. This is the habit and aptitude of those who call themselves religious. At least in our surroundings. I don't discuss the real noble men of ALLAH and I don't have any complaint on narrow mindedness against open mindedness.
At the same time I never have and still don't have any claim for perfection of knowledge or understanding. A human is a student all the life. Some one may call it "learner" instead of "student", if this language does not suit him.
Dear Israr,
I am not a religious scholar but at the same time I don't feel so manys as religious scholar who claim for or who are generally known for such designations. Further, 'AALIM' has no privilege with ALLAH (as per HOLY QURAN) if it is to be seen in the absence of 'AMAL'. A religious AALIM is just like a Scholar of other subjects. He becomes WALIALLAH only when he practises his ILAM in that way. This is what should be known and understood to/by every one.
Now coming to your question. Yes indeed one's land could be a reason to do Jehad. For this, and for concentrating on Kashmir to make it a reason for doing Jehad only for the sake of Land, we have to look back at the history and the methodology which made Pakistan and set the boundaries where we are living at the moment. India was not owned by Muslims. It is a reality. Islam came in India when Mughals and other muslims entered here. This was in fact a quest to enhance the boundaries of governments, to enhance the owned resources and reserves, to capture the world's most precious land (india), to enhance the power and to enhance the personal satisfaction by making big names in the history. Kings were used to do it even by getting the history written under their own instructions. This had been happening since the outset even by those who were not Muslims. Checkout the examples like Alexander and others who penetrated India and who always tried so in the long history. This was not done by Muslims for the sake of Islam. Check those names who did this all in the history. Were they best of Muslims. The pioneer is BABAR. You may know him in detail.
However, the spread of Islam was mainly due to the character and teachings of AULIYAs in India who caused it by their message of love, equality, peace and by showing their highest level of nobility and character. They made their-selves the role models. How manys became muslims due to Ghaznavi's wars? How many would have been inspired of BABAR or AKBAR or JANAHGIR. We have to think on it sincerely. Otherwise we cannot understand it.
So we with our own hands made this rule that whoever comes in power should acquire whatever he can. Islam has no fault in it Naoozbillah. It was the character of our Kings. Prophet P.B.U.H's treatment at FATAH MAKKAH is a role model for us. His life is a role model for us. Can we find examples where, without having any pain or stimulation from them, muslims attacked the others in the life of Prophet P.B.U.H. How manys were asked to pay JAZYA to muslims in the life of Prophet P.B.U.H. How muslims can say they can protect some one else on receiving JAZYA? Protection is only from God. How a muslim "of our quality" can make this claim. Further, if the others don't need our protection or don't pay JAZYA, should this make a reason for us to institute war on them?
If this is a valid reason then why we blame for such things to USA and others who are doing these malpractices with muslims now.
Kashmir (occupied) is not owned by us. It's land is not ours unless it is once made the part of Pakistan. There could be some disagreement or breach of agreement in initial days but it was in fact never owned by us. So how can we start battling for its land? Only due to the division made by FARANGGIES and QUAID-e-AZAM (to whom the so-called 'ULEMAs' call as FRAUD.e.AZAM). Was it Naoozbillah some HADEES or ALLAH'S order? Kashmir has to be obtained through political dialogue. Any war, if undertaken, also has its basis in regional and specific politics. However, it is better to treat it as a political issue just as Pakistan's existence evolved through political efforts.
Those who say that land of Kashmir is a justified reason for Jehad as there was some breach of agreement, then why they don't start JEHAD in HOSHYARPUR and GURDASPUR who were also the part of planned Pakistan initially under the agreed terms. If we donât fight for HOSHYARPUR or GURDASPUR even if the terms of division were materially affected by RED CULF AWARD then why we wish to fight for Occupied Kashmir?
On the other hand, if it is by all means a JEHAD and we have to fight for it, why we don't even give freedom to AZAD KASHMIR and ask INDIA to give freedom to OCCUPIED KASHMIR to make it a separate country. Pakistan never consented on this proposal.
If we think deeply on this issue, things can become more clear to us. I gave only my own conclusion that JEHAD.e.KASHMIR is not JEHAD in my understanding. Yes, it could be a necessary war for some political reasons and may have justifications in that context. But it is not Jehad for the reasons which we generally hear. This is my understanding. I also said that my understanding could be materially wrong. So there is no offence.
We should have open hearts to listen the others' point of view as well. Still criticism and difference of opinions is too much liked by me since it makes a reason to debate and such debates make the things more clear.
The reason that Jehad-e-Kashmir was previously supported by Pakistani agencies (intelligence and others and not by open governmental announcements) and is nearer to us as compared to Illahabad or Gujrat is not a valid reason to support the idea of JEHAD. Jehad, if done by Governments, has to be announced. It is a must feature. {Muslims cannot attack on sleeping enemies. Muslims never did so in the era of Prophet P.B.U.H.} So it is not to be hidden. Yes planning and strategy making is allowed. Since such Jehad was not announced by Pakistani Government, it is not a JEHAD. On the other hand if we talk about small religious groups, my friend in above post, has already made it clear that it cannot be termed as JEHAD.
In my confirmed view the issue of Kashmir is a political issue and not a religious activity. This may view may be changed if I see some logically sound explanation and clarification given impersonally. Unethical language cannot change the realities. You all know this. Yes, if some one does not want to clarify it, it is his prerogative. I always tend to avoid using indecent language.
At the end, no one has so far explained that if attacking on others just to enhance land boundaries or just to forcibly ask the others to accept Islam or just to ask for JAZYA against protection (which is never needed or requested for by others) is a valid JEHAD then why we criticize others who are doing so. Islam was meant for PEACE. If we have such ideology in the back doors of our minds then how the PEACE would be ensured? Of course ensuring PEACE by killing (or by making slaves or dependents) to all the others is no PEACE. If this is the methodology to bring the PEACE then where would the meanings of Islam go? I again say every fault (wherever it is) is of Muslims who interpret the things. Islam was and is perfect by the grace of ALLAH.
Why we negate Islam's history just to express our grief and feelings. In the history of Islam, Sinf-e-Nazuk has also participated in JEHADS. Look back in history and read the books. It is not confined to men by GOD. Please no body should try to change the history. Now I am not saying that I am more knowledgeable but what can I do if some one becomes so irrational and illiterate.
In Bahwalnagar, police has captured some 5 men who were having all the preparations of suicidal explosions, as per last days news on various TV channels. The DPO of Bahawalnagar informed the news channel that those 5 men have accepted their relationship with JESH-E-MUHAMMAD (The group of Maulana Masood Azhar, who reportedly has written above Poem).
This news could be wrong and may be a conspiracy against Jesh.e.Muhammad or Maulana Azhar, but if it is true, then it raises so many questions. Can any body else has similar questions on hearing such news. The one who don't love his country-men being the muslims, how can he love people of Kashmir as muslims. I again say that this is the info given by DPO of Bahawalnagar and could be wrong entirely.
Hope to see good comments.
Best regards,
KAMRAN.
- Pracs - 04-13-2008
Excuse my rather comment, but to me Amir always seems to be living on another planet. I agree with Kamran that Kashmir is a political issue, has been for some time now. Its no point for us in Pakistan to ram through ideology on to the Kashmiris (the majority of them) who have never participated in any such struggle, except for when they were forced to by the Occupying Indian forces or their brothers from across the LOC.
I am not going into the casues and historical perspective of it all. All I am saying is that we need to wake up and smell the coffee here. Difficult as it is we have trouble in keeping a good state of affiars of whatever we have of Pakistan, including our tribal areas. Can we offer the Kashmiris a better deal that perhaps India can as this point in time.
Sorry to say but we have missed a lot of trains, including the train to Srinigar !! Ideologically we may continue to aspire the longing for Kashmir, because geographically and economically (with all our water ways flowing through it) it makes sense for Pakistan. As far as the relegious question, I don't think so. My personal opinion ofcourse.
- kamranACA - 04-14-2008
Dear Pracs,
It's always nice to see you on the forum.
Plz contribute regularly.
Are you still at UAE with some big 4? How do you rate big 4 from 1 to 4 at UAE?
It would be kind of you to give the insight.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
- Astute Accountant - 04-14-2008
No!!! Pracs ain't at UAE.