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BJP expelled Jaswant Singh for praising Quaid - Toronto_Boy - 08-20-2009

Dears

BJP could not bear some words of Jaswant Singh of praising Jinnah and pointing Nehru and Patel for cause of partition in his new book. How such people can tolerate existence of Pakistan if they cannot tolerate merely some words of praising its founder M.A. Jinnah. An indicator of how deeply rooted their hatred is for Pakistan and its founder.

Remember Jaswant Singh has been with the BJP party for last 30 years since its initial days. He has been a very senior party leader, an ex-army officer, defence, and foreign minister.

Two nation theory proves itself again. Quaid very accurately viewed this in-acceptance by majority Hindus and their Congress party. It is proved again.

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWLsKTZ-BNg&feature=related

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZbbf5EGIIw&feature=related

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAh-7RAATY8&feature=related

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-x4FYC8hA&feature=related

Secular State, biggest democracy, freedom of speech??? LoL.

Quaid-e-azam zindabad, Pakistan Paindabad.

Regards

- Toronto_Boy - 08-22-2009

BBC's report;

http//www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/multimedia/2009/08/090820_jaswant_book_aw.shtml

- Odyssee - 08-22-2009

Mohammad Ali Jinnah as âThe Hinduâ saw him

In the light of the controversy generated by Jaswant Singhâs book, 'Jinnah India-Partition-Independence' (Rupa & Co., New Delhi, 669 pages), the following is The Hindu âs editorial of September 13, 1948 titled âMr. Jinnah .â It was published two days after the death of the founder of Pakistan.

The news of the sudden death of Mr. Jinnah will be received with widespread regret in this country. Till barely a twelvemonth ago he was, next to Gandhiji, the most powerful leader in undivided India. And not only among his fellow-Muslims but among members of all communities there was great admiration for his sterling personal qualities even while the goal which he pursued with increasing fanaticism was deplored. For more than half the period of nearly forty years in which he was a towering figure in our public life he identified himself so completely with the struggle that the Indian National Congress carried on for freedom that he came to be as nearly a popular idol as it was possible for a man so aristocratic and aloof by temperament to be. During the last years of his life, as the architect of Pakistan, he achieved a unique authority in his own community by virtue of the blind allegiance which the mass, dazzled by his political triumphs, gave him though the sane and ***er elements of the community became more and more doubtful of the wisdom of his policies. In an age which saw centuries-old empires crumble this Bombay lawyer began late in life to dream of founding a new Empire; in an era of rampant secularism this Muslim, who had never been known to be very austere in his religion, began to dally with the notion that that Empire should be an Islamic State. And the dream became a reality overnight, and perhaps no man was more surprised at his success than Mr. Jinnah himself.

Mr. Jinnah was an astute lawyer. And his success was largely due to the fact that he was quick to seize the tactical implications of any development. His strength lay not in any firm body of general principle, any deeply cogitated philosophy of life, but in throwing all his tremendous powers of tenacity, strategy and dialectical skill into a cause which had been nursed by others and shaped in many of its most important phases by external factors. In this he offers a marked contrast to the Mahatma with whom rested the initiative during the thirty years he dominated Indian political life and who, however much he might adapt himself to the thrusts of circumstance, was able to maintain on a long range a remarkable consistency. Pakistan began with Iqbal as a poetic fancy. Rahmat Ali and his English allies at Cambridge provided it with ideology and dogma. Britainâs Divide and Rule diplomacy over a period of half a century was driving blindly towards this goal. What Mr. Jinnah did was to build up a political organisation, out of the moribund Muslim League, which gave coherence to the inchoate longings of the mass by yoking it to the realisation of the doctrinairesâ dream. Two world wars within a generation, bringing in their train a vast proliferation of nation-States as well as the decay of established Imperialisms and the rise of the Totalitarian Idea, were as much responsible for the emergence of Pakistan as the aggressive communalism to which Mr. Jinnah gave point and direction.

We must not forget that Mr. Jinnah began his political life as a child of the Enlightenment the seeds of which were planted in India by the statesmen of Victorian England. He stood for parliamentary democracy after the British pattern and with a conscientious care practised the art of debate in which he attained a formidable proficiency. At the time of the Minto-Morley Reforms, he set his face sternly against the British attempts to entice the Muslims away from their allegiance to the Congress. For long he kept aloof from the Muslim League. And when at last he joined it his aim was to utilise it for promoting amity between the two communities and not for widening the gulf. But Mr. Jinnah was a man of ambition. He had a very high opinion of his own abilities and the success, professional and political, that had come to him early in life, seemed fully to justify it. It irked him to play second fiddle. The Congress in those early days was dominated by mighty personalities, Dadabhai Nowroji, Mehta and Gokhale, not to mention leaders of the Left like Tilak. That no doubt accounts for the fact that Mr. Jinnah gradually withdrew from the Congress organisation and cast about for materials wherewith to build a separate platform for himself. At this time the first World War broke out and the idea of self-determination was in the air. It was not a mere accident that Mr. Jinnah came to formulate the safeguards which he deemed necessary for the Muslim minority in his famous Fourteen Points so reminiscent of the Wilsonian formula.

But in those days he would have pooh-poohed the idea of the Muslim community cutting itself off from the rest of India. He was so little in sympathy with the Ali Brothersâ Khilafat campaign because it seemed to him to play with fire. He was deeply suspicious of the unrestrained passions of the mob and he was too good a student of history not to realise that once the dormant fires of fanaticism were stoked there was no knowing where it might end. He kept aloof from the Congress at the same time. Satyagraha with its jail-going and other hardships could not appeal to a [one word deleted] like him; but the main reason for his avoiding the Gandhian Congress was the same nervousness about the consequences of rousing mass enthusiasm. The result was that he went into political hibernation for some years. But he remained keenly observant; and the dynamic energy generated by a successful policy of mass contact deeply impressed him. He came to see that a backward community like the Muslims could be roused to action only by an appeal, simplified almost to the point of crudeness, to what touched it most deeply, its religious faith. And a close study of the arts by which the European dictators, Mussolini, Hitler and a host of lesser men rose to power led him to perfect a technique of propaganda and mass instigation to which âatrocityâ-mongering was central. But Mr. Jinnah could not have been entirely happy over the Frankenstein monster that he had invoked, especially when the stark horrors of the Punjab issued with all the inevitability of Attic tragedy from the contention and strife that he had sown. He was a prudent man to whom by nature and training anarchy was repellant. At the first Round Table Conference he took a lone stand in favour of a unitary Government for India because he felt that Federation in a country made up of such diverse elements would strengthen fissiparous tendencies. It was an irony that such a man should have become the instrument of a policy which, by imposing an unnatural division on a country meant by Nature to be one, has started a fatal course the end of which no man may foresee. Mr. Jinnah was too weak to withstand the momentum of the forces that he had helped to unleash. And the [one word deleted] which unfortunately he came to develop would hardly allow him to admit that he was wrong.

Mr. Jinnah has passed away at the peak of his earthly career. He is sure of his place in history. But during the last months of his life he must have been visited by anxious thoughts about the future of the State which he had carved. Pakistan has many able men who may be expected to devote themselves with wholehearted zeal to its service according to their lights. And India will wish them well in a task of extraordinary difficulty. But it is no easy thing to don the mantle of the Quaid-i-Azam. No other Pakistani has anything like the international stature that Mr. Jinnah had achieved; and assuredly none else has that unquestioned authority with the masses. The freedom that Pakistan has won, largely as the result of a century of unremitting effort by Indiaâs noblest sons, is yet to be consolidated. It is a task that calls for the highest qualities of statesmanship. Many are the teething troubles of the infant State. Apart from the refugee problem, which is Britainâs parting gift to both parts of distracted India, the Pakistan Government has by its handling of the Kashmir question and its unfortunate attitude towards the Indian Unionâs difficulties with Hyderabad, raised in an acute form the future of the relations between Pakistan and India. Mr. Jinnah at his bitterest never forgot that firm friendship between the two States was not only feasible but indispensable if freedom was to be no Dead-Sea apple. It is earnestly to be hoped that the leaders of Pakistan will strive to be true to that ideal.
http//beta.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article6489.ece

- Mujahid - 08-22-2009

@^
Hahahahahaha yaar tu ne mere dil ki baat ki. [D]

- Odyssee - 08-23-2009

^^^
the above article is aimed towards individuals who are sane, literate and possess a healthy mind. I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused to mentally disabled and illiterates.

- Toronto_Boy - 08-23-2009

Thanks Odyssee for sharing this article. It shows that in early days, indians were accepting greatness of our Quaid and were not prejudiced toward him or Pakistan. However, long successive governments of Congress party distorted facts/history to hide blunders and inacceptance by their leaders.

Truth comes out eventually, though they are still in denial mode.

- Toronto_Boy - 08-23-2009

http//www.jang.com.pk/jang/aug2009-daily/23-08-2009/col11.htm

- Mujahid - 08-23-2009

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Odyssee
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the above article is aimed towards individuals who are sane, literate and possess a healthy mind. I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused to mentally disabled and illiterates.
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To phir ye article is forum pe kia kar raha hai aakhir? [D] Waisay maaf kia. [D]

- Odyssee - 08-24-2009

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by retarded
 <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Odyssee
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the above article is aimed towards individuals who are sane, literate and possess a healthy mind. I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused to mentally disabled and illiterates.
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the above article's poster has aimed towards individuals to make them insane, illiterate and make them permenently retarded. i sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused to healthly mind person and literates who have devoted their precious time in going through above poster's articles.[p][p][p]
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"You must be reading newspapers and knowing how Pakistan is moving fast..."
Quaid e Azam in reply to the address presented by the Students of Islamia College, Peshawar April 12, 1948

"The prosperity and advancement of a nation depend upon its intelligentsia, and Muslim India is looking forward to her young generation and education classes to give a bold lead for our guidance and a brilliant record of historical achievements and traditions."
-Quaid e Azam December 24, 1940

People complain about economic disparity, but the above posts are glaring examples of "intellectual disparity", which can be an equally destructive phenomena for any civilized society. And when i use the word "intellectual disparity" i am referring to the gulf between the educated and educated-illiterates (those who have ample time to pass senseless and point futile comments but are inherently afraid of even a slightest possibility of acquiring knowledge.)

I might remind to the above poster that the words and language we choose to use is reminiscent of our education and upbringing.
I am in no mood to reduce to the level of the above poster in order to answer him.

Though, i am quite sure that the above poster will reply to my post. But that will only serve the purpose of clarifying any remaining doubts in our minds(if any) about his mindset, education and upbringing.

- Odyssee - 08-26-2009

I understand that some people on this forum are allergic to reading. But that allergy has refrained them from even reading the TOPIC under discussion. This topic is about Jaswant Singh praising Quaid-e-Azam. So one shouldn't get upset if anyone quotes Quaid-e-Azam under this topic.

Secondly, since i am being accused of posting "unnecessary posts", i feel it necessary to question the "necessity" of the post made by retarded that

"Beeru yeh parhay ga kon ?"

Might i also question the "necessity" and usefulness of ALL the posts made by retarded on this forum?

As i understand, according to his standards, making loony statements and advocating ignorance is justifiable, but advocating reading habits is a major sin.

I have already stated that the language, words and semantics we choose to use is indicative of our education, values, standards and upbringing. He has done a brilliant job in exposing himself in this regard.

- rabia-k - 08-26-2009

Hi Odyssee ,

thanks for this very interesting article. i saw some indian activists (on tv) burning OUR QUAIDS pictures but didn't understand why they were doing do. isn't it such hypocrisy shown by these Indians?
i think L.K. Advani has said something similar as Jaswant in the past. if you find any article on that please post it here.

thanks

- Odyssee - 08-27-2009

Jaswant Singh's book has been banned in the state of Gujrat. Such an action shouldn't happen in a country which prides in calling itself the world's largest democracy. The expulsion of Jaswant Singh from BJP has exposed the tolerance levels of one of the largest political parties in India. But i think that BJP had no other choice as they needed to appease the radical, right wing nut-jobs in their party as well as those in RSS, on whose support the party depends upon. On the bright side, the whole fiasco has shown that there are reasonable and moderate minds in India who admire our great leader. Their numbers might be few, but they are there.

L.K.Advani inscribed the following message in the Visitorsâ Book at the Jinnah Mausoleum which caused an uproar in India
âThere are many people who leave an inerasable stamp on history. But there are very few who actually create history. Quaid-e-Azam Mohammed Ali Jinnah was one such rare individual. In his early years, Sarojini Naidu, a leading luminary of Indiaâs freedom struggle, described Mr. Jinnah as an âAmbassador of Hindu-Muslim Unityâ. His address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan on August 11, 1947 is a classic, a forceful espousal of a Secular State in which every citizen would be free to practise his own religion but the State shall make no distinction between one citizen and another on the grounds of faith.
âMy respectful homage to this great man.â 
http//www.lkadvani.in/eng/content/view/558/281/

- kamranACA - 08-27-2009

Odyssee,

Thanks for posting all the informative stuff. Keep it up and don't get entangled with the lousy mindset we are witnessing here and we have been witnessing on other threads as well.

I have been deficient of time for investing, but I do read most of your posts through whatever means, be it the handset or laptop. If we have students like you to take the charge in coming days, I must say the future of Pakistan is out of harmâs way. Certainly herd of sheep is not under discussion.

Regards,

KAMRAN.

- Odyssee - 08-28-2009

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by kamranACA
 Odyssee,

Thanks for posting all the informative stuff. Keep it up and don't get entangled with the lousy mindset we are witnessing here and we have been witnessing on other threads as well.

I have been deficient of time for investing, but I do read most of your posts through whatever means, be it the handset or laptop. If we have students like you to take the charge in coming days, I must say the future of Pakistan is out of harmâs way. Certainly herd of sheep is not under discussion.

Regards,

KAMRAN.
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Thank you Sir for your kind words. It really means a lot to me.

Regards,
Safwan Arshad

- sumairalam - 08-31-2009

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Toronto_Boy
 Dears

BJP could not bear some words of Jaswant Singh of praising Jinnah and pointing Nehru and Patel for cause of partition in his new book. How such people can tolerate existence of Pakistan if they cannot tolerate merely some words of praising its founder M.A. Jinnah. An indicator of how deeply rooted their hatred is for Pakistan and its founder.

Remember Jaswant Singh has been with the BJP party for last 30 years since its initial days. He has been a very senior party leader, an ex-army officer, defence, and foreign minister.

Two nation theory proves itself again. Quaid very accurately viewed this in-acceptance by majority Hindus and their Congress party. It is proved again.

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWLsKTZ-BNg&feature=related

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZbbf5EGIIw&feature=related

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAh-7RAATY8&feature=related

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-x4FYC8hA&feature=related

Secular State, biggest democracy, freedom of speech??? LoL.

Quaid-e-azam zindabad, Pakistan Paindabad.

Regards

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Dear Toronto_Boy

Why we are praising Jaswant Singh by writing " it was actually Jawaharlal Nehru and Vallabhbhai Patel who were more responsible for dividing the country than Jinnah". means that Mr. Jinnah actually did not want Pakistan and was in the favour of United ( greater India). This greater India is the slogan of last many Indian Governments.
Currently they are putting this word in many of our artist/cricketers/reporters visiting India.

We as a Pakistani are in full support of two nation theory.

The reason to publish the book is more political then only to praise the Quaid. The area of his constituency, greater India movemnent and etc etc are the main motive behind that book.

He is shortly planning to visit pakistan , lets see how much appreciation he gets in pakistan.