05-28-2005, 09:12 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
<br />Dear Ehson,
Thank you very much for such a detailed reply. I'm sure that no one wud hv so far responded such a long posting on this forum like you did.
I fear if I start explaining my side of the argument, as you did, it wud create kinda blame game with no end in sight.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">dear <b>fahim239</b>incase you fear me being an sterotype, let me asure you i'm a receptive person or atleast I think that I'm.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
<br />In fact, <font color="red">I'm not the one who believes in argumentation</font id="red">. I'm for the objective criticism/discussion. Argumentation helps only <font color="red">when there's some semblance of commonalities, like those of views, thought n mind</font id="red">.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">If you dont want me to write the way I do, I cant change my style. Seconly the argument are to settle the difference in viewpoint, i guess. I might be wrong however. Secondly the literal meaning of argument is <b>A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate</b>. I wonder why you talk about the commonalities etc
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
<br />Nor do I believe in the emotional outpourings. I very strong feel that we're poles apart. You belong to the one school of thought n I to the other. Lakum deenakum wale yadeen, I must say here.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">My point always has been the we must not support the democratic system of the capitalistic economy. The only proper way of ruling the land is the way of Islam (i.e. Khilafa). I think I might've not make myself clear earlier. I appologise for the misscommunication that is my mistake.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
<br />All I want to say is that Iâm an optimist, with my eyes wide open. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">All I want to ask is what are you optimistic about. Do you really see things changing with your 'eyes wide open'. If you do please do let me know. I can meet you many poor people who are getting worse and worse day by day. disparity of the classes is widening day by day, how can I be optimistic in such conditions I seriously do not understand. You might have some real facts upon which you base your viewpoint and my mere intention to write is to know about them. That is all.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
<br />Being the scribe of the post itâs, however, incumbent on me to put forward my own point of view<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I thought you didnt believe in argument, anyways nice to see you sharing your viewpoint.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
<br />I. You say there are social problems in our society. And I admit there are. Should that make you the most hateable article in this world? Should that make you ashamed of your own country, the land where you live, where you feed you belly on, where you earn a living, where your forefathers lie, where youâre gonna die? Tell me one single country on the face of this earth with no social problems n Iâll admit that yes, we are some kind of aliens. Man, there are problems everywhere. All we need to do is to find ways to curb them. Not that we should get obsessed with them and lose sight of our own cherished goals and targets.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I never said that the social problems should make us most hateable article. But there are certain things which do make us the most hateable article
- Korea took our economy/business plans in 70s. In 70s Korea and Pakistan both had the similar GDP. There GDP is around $19,000 ours is $419-425.
- as you suggested we need to find ways to curb the problems. How do you intend to do that unless your rulers are non currupt.
- one single example I'd give you. In the time of Gen Zia our automobile industry went under the industrial protection regime. The regime was extened for the second time last year when Gen Musharaf was the head. I'm sure you are aware of the fact that the Toyota and Honda are selling thier cars on markup more than 300%. Industrialists are exploiting the people of this nation for a mere reason that they can pay a bearucrat or a top official. This just one example I can provide you many. Try SA Tribune's main page you'd find the thing happening in your home sweet home.
If I dont like these thing should I not raise my voice, after all it is the land where I live, where I feed my belly, where I earn a living, where my forefathers lie, where i might die. You aske me to name a single country to name which has no social problems. I say with confidence there is none to my limited knowledge. I ask you now, name a single country which as a islamic ruling mechanice, becuase I believe that is the only error free way of ruling on land.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
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II. You say even at present Pakistan is being DICTATED by the financial institutions. I say no thatâs a perfect lie. No more dictations like it used to be in the so-called democRATic eras of Nawaz & B.B. Now, we only borrow on our own conditionalities, with our own preferences & our own recommendations.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Please give me a single reference where we have borrowed 'on our own conditions, with our own preferences & our own recommendations.
And is that is the case howcome 'present Pakistan' still is begging for the F-16 from the US.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
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III. You plead Javed Hashmi innocent. I say heâs a traitor. I think that not only he should be put behind bars but he should also be whipped a 1000 times on his butts, so that no one dares to do such a mean and vile thing in future. What thing? Donât you know that? Câomn dude, you study South Asian Tribune. Donât ya? And huh, he just owns a Suzuki FX. So what? Does that make him an angel? Evil minds reside in the cerebral cavities not in the FX Suzukis, simple man.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">One I never plead Hashmi as an innocent. Two kindly reffer the the article of SA Tribune you are pointing towards. I'd seriously like to read it. Third All I say is if Hashmi should be placed behind the bars and 'whipped a 1000 times on his butts' then why spare the people who left PML(N) and joined PML(Q). "c'omn dude", you really think just becuase they switched sides and are with the ruling govt. that makes them angle. If no they why arent they put behind bar for what they have done with Hashmi. Afterall they were brother in arms with Hashmi before they switched sides.
And are you sure Hashmi is not being punished for <b>not</b> switching sides?
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
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IV. You say you âknow an individual who was arrested for the crime of more than 5 murders. Meet his family and you'd know what is happing around you.â What do ya mean? What are you gonna do with a man who commits 5 murders? Are gonna take him to the honeymoon in the Kaghan and Naran valleys and gonna give him a red carpet treatment? By the way, I donât keep in touch with the culprits and murderers. Wonder why a CA student like you would keep one? Now donât you answer this question, or youâll also be jailed, lol.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
my brother i'm sorry again for the miscommunication. the point is he was arrested for 5 murders that he didnt do. secondly i think for a murderer better than Kaghan and Naran valleys would be the parliment. And dont tell me you dont know about the minister who was involved in mrders and he decleared that infront of the court but because he switched sites he is havind a red carpet reception every time he goes to the parliment. And I'm <b>not</b> doing CA
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
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V. You say you totally agree with my last paragraph. But I say I totally disagree to agree with you here, b/c you didnât agree with me on most of my points, haha.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I didnt show the agreement to the words that you own. I agreed to the concept of uniting he muslim ummah and led by a single Khalifa. As practiced and tought by prohpet(s). Incase you think it was s'thing personal you are mistaken. "haha"
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
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VI. You say âmy signature is niceâ. Sounds like you're gonna copy it. Donât you do that, plz. Tell you why? Iâve myself copied it from Esha, lolzzz.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Incase you didnt realise it was an ironic remark made for a person who proposes views and cant have a decent signature of his own. "lolzzz"
<br />Dear Ehson,
Thank you very much for such a detailed reply. I'm sure that no one wud hv so far responded such a long posting on this forum like you did.
I fear if I start explaining my side of the argument, as you did, it wud create kinda blame game with no end in sight.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">dear <b>fahim239</b>incase you fear me being an sterotype, let me asure you i'm a receptive person or atleast I think that I'm.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
<br />In fact, <font color="red">I'm not the one who believes in argumentation</font id="red">. I'm for the objective criticism/discussion. Argumentation helps only <font color="red">when there's some semblance of commonalities, like those of views, thought n mind</font id="red">.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">If you dont want me to write the way I do, I cant change my style. Seconly the argument are to settle the difference in viewpoint, i guess. I might be wrong however. Secondly the literal meaning of argument is <b>A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate</b>. I wonder why you talk about the commonalities etc
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
<br />Nor do I believe in the emotional outpourings. I very strong feel that we're poles apart. You belong to the one school of thought n I to the other. Lakum deenakum wale yadeen, I must say here.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">My point always has been the we must not support the democratic system of the capitalistic economy. The only proper way of ruling the land is the way of Islam (i.e. Khilafa). I think I might've not make myself clear earlier. I appologise for the misscommunication that is my mistake.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
<br />All I want to say is that Iâm an optimist, with my eyes wide open. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">All I want to ask is what are you optimistic about. Do you really see things changing with your 'eyes wide open'. If you do please do let me know. I can meet you many poor people who are getting worse and worse day by day. disparity of the classes is widening day by day, how can I be optimistic in such conditions I seriously do not understand. You might have some real facts upon which you base your viewpoint and my mere intention to write is to know about them. That is all.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
<br />Being the scribe of the post itâs, however, incumbent on me to put forward my own point of view<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I thought you didnt believe in argument, anyways nice to see you sharing your viewpoint.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
<br />I. You say there are social problems in our society. And I admit there are. Should that make you the most hateable article in this world? Should that make you ashamed of your own country, the land where you live, where you feed you belly on, where you earn a living, where your forefathers lie, where youâre gonna die? Tell me one single country on the face of this earth with no social problems n Iâll admit that yes, we are some kind of aliens. Man, there are problems everywhere. All we need to do is to find ways to curb them. Not that we should get obsessed with them and lose sight of our own cherished goals and targets.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I never said that the social problems should make us most hateable article. But there are certain things which do make us the most hateable article
- Korea took our economy/business plans in 70s. In 70s Korea and Pakistan both had the similar GDP. There GDP is around $19,000 ours is $419-425.
- as you suggested we need to find ways to curb the problems. How do you intend to do that unless your rulers are non currupt.
- one single example I'd give you. In the time of Gen Zia our automobile industry went under the industrial protection regime. The regime was extened for the second time last year when Gen Musharaf was the head. I'm sure you are aware of the fact that the Toyota and Honda are selling thier cars on markup more than 300%. Industrialists are exploiting the people of this nation for a mere reason that they can pay a bearucrat or a top official. This just one example I can provide you many. Try SA Tribune's main page you'd find the thing happening in your home sweet home.
If I dont like these thing should I not raise my voice, after all it is the land where I live, where I feed my belly, where I earn a living, where my forefathers lie, where i might die. You aske me to name a single country to name which has no social problems. I say with confidence there is none to my limited knowledge. I ask you now, name a single country which as a islamic ruling mechanice, becuase I believe that is the only error free way of ruling on land.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
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II. You say even at present Pakistan is being DICTATED by the financial institutions. I say no thatâs a perfect lie. No more dictations like it used to be in the so-called democRATic eras of Nawaz & B.B. Now, we only borrow on our own conditionalities, with our own preferences & our own recommendations.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Please give me a single reference where we have borrowed 'on our own conditions, with our own preferences & our own recommendations.
And is that is the case howcome 'present Pakistan' still is begging for the F-16 from the US.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
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III. You plead Javed Hashmi innocent. I say heâs a traitor. I think that not only he should be put behind bars but he should also be whipped a 1000 times on his butts, so that no one dares to do such a mean and vile thing in future. What thing? Donât you know that? Câomn dude, you study South Asian Tribune. Donât ya? And huh, he just owns a Suzuki FX. So what? Does that make him an angel? Evil minds reside in the cerebral cavities not in the FX Suzukis, simple man.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">One I never plead Hashmi as an innocent. Two kindly reffer the the article of SA Tribune you are pointing towards. I'd seriously like to read it. Third All I say is if Hashmi should be placed behind the bars and 'whipped a 1000 times on his butts' then why spare the people who left PML(N) and joined PML(Q). "c'omn dude", you really think just becuase they switched sides and are with the ruling govt. that makes them angle. If no they why arent they put behind bar for what they have done with Hashmi. Afterall they were brother in arms with Hashmi before they switched sides.
And are you sure Hashmi is not being punished for <b>not</b> switching sides?
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
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IV. You say you âknow an individual who was arrested for the crime of more than 5 murders. Meet his family and you'd know what is happing around you.â What do ya mean? What are you gonna do with a man who commits 5 murders? Are gonna take him to the honeymoon in the Kaghan and Naran valleys and gonna give him a red carpet treatment? By the way, I donât keep in touch with the culprits and murderers. Wonder why a CA student like you would keep one? Now donât you answer this question, or youâll also be jailed, lol.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
my brother i'm sorry again for the miscommunication. the point is he was arrested for 5 murders that he didnt do. secondly i think for a murderer better than Kaghan and Naran valleys would be the parliment. And dont tell me you dont know about the minister who was involved in mrders and he decleared that infront of the court but because he switched sites he is havind a red carpet reception every time he goes to the parliment. And I'm <b>not</b> doing CA
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
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V. You say you totally agree with my last paragraph. But I say I totally disagree to agree with you here, b/c you didnât agree with me on most of my points, haha.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I didnt show the agreement to the words that you own. I agreed to the concept of uniting he muslim ummah and led by a single Khalifa. As practiced and tought by prohpet(s). Incase you think it was s'thing personal you are mistaken. "haha"
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fahim239</i>
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VI. You say âmy signature is niceâ. Sounds like you're gonna copy it. Donât you do that, plz. Tell you why? Iâve myself copied it from Esha, lolzzz.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Incase you didnt realise it was an ironic remark made for a person who proposes views and cant have a decent signature of his own. "lolzzz"
