Proud to be a Pakistani

Desert Sleet · 06-02-2005, 04:39 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Not to forget during the time of Khilafa non Muslims used to fight in the Muslim armies becuase they feared that if Muslims lose a system worse than the one they were living in would become dominant and they might lose thier rights and might face problems.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">well desert the islamic history is no 1300 years old its 1425years old ,, secondly who told u that during the khilafa there were no world wars.....when the first world war started there was khalifat in turkey that sided with germany ....<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

LOL, the law of the Islamic State is not some man made garbage that emanates from secular humanism. By the way, the same convention executed war criminals in WWII but no longer does that, since they think it is "cruel and unusual" punishment. Welcome to the inconsistency of man made law, tomorrow Child abuse will be completely legal. And when the problems of drugs canât be solved the goal post will be moved, hence crime rate will be low then the year before LOL

Secular values and principles are altered in the name of expediency and genuinely point out that if Western principles and values are so important and true, why are they not held firmly even in the face of inconvenience. As Will Hutton recently said âMore than two years after 11 September, the tally of core Western values and beliefs that we have allowed to become corrupted as we respond is lengthening by the week. Equality before the law, the presumption of innocence, the right to a fair trial - all have been seen as expedients to be put aside.â He goes on âWe are undermining our own civilisationâ

The challenge for Muslims is to adhere to the fixed principles of Islam regardless of time or situations.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">This once again takes us to the start of our discussion where you wrote to me that I shall dream on achieving what I want to achieve. And I on the other hand reffered that It might take long, longer than one can imagine right now but at least we should try to achieve it. And Since this is the only solution that I see, I therefore advocate this and point out people who take sides with the current or the previous rulers of Pakistan. To me all are equal, no good for nations to rule. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
There is no concept of dictatorship, popism (mullaiyat) and totalitarianism in Islam. Islam doesnât believe in any kind of Monarchy and Oligarchy. The political system of Islam totally depends upon Shooraiat (consultation). The significance of consultation in governance proves by this that a complete surah in Quran is named âAl-shoorahâ (consultation). It is ordered in the 38th verse of this surah that you must consult with each other in dealing the problems and matters of people.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Totally agree that human beings can "figure out that they require a system to live by". But unfortunately they cant (or at least not yet have been able to) make a system that works as well as the system of Khilafa. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Islam is unique from both systems in that the sovereignty belongs to Allah. In the Islamic State, the Khalifah, like the people, is a slave and servant of Allah, and he is confined by the Islamic rules. Although the Khalifah has the authority, he does not possess the sovereignty. And the sovereign, who is Allah, has determined conditions for the Khalifahâs authority, including how this authority is given to him and when this authority can be taken away from him. The Khalifah is given the authority by the Muslim Ummah to implement the Islamic system, and obeying him is obligatory only if he exercises his authority for this purpose. However, once he begins to implement non-Islamic rules or he becomes unable to carry out this position, then he must be di***eyed. Furthermore, implementing non-Islamic rules is grounds for the Khalifah to be removed, and Islam outlines the procedures for selecting and removing the Khalifah.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> ), very good quotation you've chosen, my friend. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Democracy is often confused with the style of elections and the concept of choice. Democracy is the rule of people, for the people, by the people

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">interesting" approach<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
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P.S. incase you dont mind Desert Sleet would you email me your brief introduction. I'd have initiated but I thought you might not want to do it. )
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<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">well u take to much side of khilafat have u ever thought about it with a moderate mind and not with that of a fundamental mind......in pakistan we have so much issues relating to the punjabi,pathan,sindi, balochi, muhajir,sarayki and so on.....is it possible in this time to have a khilafat system comprising of all the muslim countries......i think its not possibleat this time.....we have so much differences amoung us......for khilafat then there would be wars the arabs would say that the khalifa should be from them ,pakistanis would want that the khalifa should be from pak and similarly indonesia,malaysia, iran, bangladesh would want the same for there own countries........it will create a much more hovac in the islamic world than that we r facing it today.........

secondly if we make khilafat as our ruling system.....who will initiate this step....as all the muslims r divided in sects religious(shia,sunni), political(religious,socalist), geographical(arabs,indo pak,indonesians,iranians and so on) and then even in a singal country there r a lot of tribes...........what u think of it.....
as far as i see the khilafat system can't be brought back by normal procedures it needs a revolution not only in a singal country but in all the islamic countries......have ur say<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The Khalifah must be selected utilizing whatever means such that the will of the Muslim Ummah is represented. Whatever means functions best to express the will of the Muslim Ummah should be used. In the past, the Sahabah would select a Khalifah from among them, and this was accepted because the Sahabah were considered the opinion leaders of the Muslim Ummah and their opinions truly represented the will of the Muslims at large. Also, you have to remember that, during those days, the Islamic State was huge, and the means of travel and communication made it impractical to obtain a "nation-wide vote" or to hold elections that would encompass the entire Ummah. However, it was also typical during those days that the top intellectuals, scholars, statesmen, and those with leadership qualities would be concentrated in the Capital city; and the consensus opinion among those individuals was considered truly representative of the Muslim Ummah's interests.

Nowadays, the means of communication are readily available to us, and we could theoretically have every Muslim cast his or her vote for the Khalifah through the Internet. Also, the selection process could be done through the Majlis-as-Shura, which would consist of individuals that the people of each region in the Ummah would select to represent their will and opinions.

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