11-13-2007, 09:30 PM
@ Israrhere
Brother, go through the lines once again and Iâm sure youâll find the sources of information that Iâve mentioned and if you still doubt my words for Mr. Qazi; go to Dr. Babar Awan; Advocate Supreme Court of Pakistan and heâll affirm my saying.
@ M. Amir
Brother, itâs not a childâs play to reveal âcompleteâ inside stories mainly because they create unrest among the masses at large. But if you insist Iâll try to reveal it to some extent and I hope you wonât force me for a second time.
As per your statement Mr. Qazi is a supporter of Islamists/Jehadies. But you know how do they work for this purpose? He is operating a Jehadi Camp under the kind patronage of ISI. They convince the general public by saying that Jihad is a fundamental pillar of Islam and everyone should try to be a part of this good deed. What all they offer to the parents is a promise of free education and free boarding. In addition to this they kidnap children and even adults and train them for âvoluntaryâ Jihad. Now! Once they train them they hand them over to ISI by taking Rs. 1000, 000 per head. So I feel itâs something more like a business than a ânoble deedâ. Do you think that they spend Rs. 1000, 000 per head? At least I canât believe thisâ¦â¦
Now; what happens with these so-assumed Jehadies? This is best explained by an Indian army man, in âA page from the diary of an army manâ which was published at the BBC. I canât recount the whole story because of time constraints but can just give an account of the main points and that too in Urdu so that its originality is retained
âMain us garum garum behte heuay lahoo ki khusboo kabhi nahi bhula paoon ga jo mere dost ki gardan main lagi mujhahedeen ki goli ki waja se beh raha tha. Aik faoji ki heseeyat se ye meri zindagi main aisa pehli bar nahi hua tha magar ab moamla kuch aur tha. Mera dost mere samne dam torr raha tha. Mujhe uss k sath guzra hua aik aik lamha yaad aney lagaâ¦â¦â¦â¦â¦
â¦â¦â¦â¦ iss tarha army aur mujahedeen ki laraee se kis ka nuksaan hota hai; na Pakistani hakumat ka na Hindustani hakumat ka. Nuksaan hota hai tu sirf aur sirf insaniyat kaâ¦â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦
â¦â¦â¦â¦ in mujahedeen ko Pakistan ki intelligence agency training de kar Indian occupied Kashmir behjtee hai; 1 khass mudat k liay. Ye mujahedeen Azad Kashmir se guide k zariyay LOC (line of control) cross kar k Occupied Kashmir aatay hain. Guide Pakistani intelligence agency se paise laite hain LOC cross karwane k aur Indian army se paise lay kar half of them ko ya tu marwa daite hain ya arrest karwa daite hain. Remaining half, successful border cross kar laite hain. Aur Indian army k sath fight karte hain. Again at least half of the remaining half is arrested or killed in the fight. At the end of the agreed period, the remaining have to go back to their country. And exactly the same procedure follows, as the one jo pehli bar follow hua tha. Again half are killed or arrested and only a few manage to returnâ¦â¦â¦â¦â¦
â¦â¦â¦â¦ aise main kis ko faiyda hota hai? Ziyada se ziyada un guides ka jo dono tarf se paise laite hain. Aur nuksaan kis ka hota hai, insaaniyat kaâ¦â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦(And he continues to morn the death of his friend)
Just see, if such a story is published overtly can you imagine that those who are involved directly in such activities are unawares of what happens in the reality? And when they are well aware of it, do you think that preparing someone mentally and physically for Jihad and especially by kidnapping and training them; is it something faithful in your opinion? Even if itâs a justified act in you view then why donât these people send their own children for jihad? Instead why do they send them to USA and UK for higher studies? After all charity begins at homeâ¦â¦!!!
BTW Brother, Islam has never supported extremism and sorry to say, I donât appreciate your words.
@ Kamran Bhai
Thanks for concurring to my views.
I think the people havenât closed their eyes from facts instead they donât try to look for the realities and the ground facts; in the very first place. They are easily convinced by the oily tongues of the âintelligentâ politicians. They are emotion-driven people who donât bother to analyze the things or the facts.
BTW it wasnât a âsilly mistakeâ of MMA. The delay in the resignations was preplanned and was certainly an act to support the govt. and at the same time give an indication to the public that they are fighting for true democracy in Pakistan. Otherwise, it was totally a âdealâ and that too, a deal of âgreat worthâ.
Brother, go through the lines once again and Iâm sure youâll find the sources of information that Iâve mentioned and if you still doubt my words for Mr. Qazi; go to Dr. Babar Awan; Advocate Supreme Court of Pakistan and heâll affirm my saying.
@ M. Amir
Brother, itâs not a childâs play to reveal âcompleteâ inside stories mainly because they create unrest among the masses at large. But if you insist Iâll try to reveal it to some extent and I hope you wonât force me for a second time.
As per your statement Mr. Qazi is a supporter of Islamists/Jehadies. But you know how do they work for this purpose? He is operating a Jehadi Camp under the kind patronage of ISI. They convince the general public by saying that Jihad is a fundamental pillar of Islam and everyone should try to be a part of this good deed. What all they offer to the parents is a promise of free education and free boarding. In addition to this they kidnap children and even adults and train them for âvoluntaryâ Jihad. Now! Once they train them they hand them over to ISI by taking Rs. 1000, 000 per head. So I feel itâs something more like a business than a ânoble deedâ. Do you think that they spend Rs. 1000, 000 per head? At least I canât believe thisâ¦â¦
Now; what happens with these so-assumed Jehadies? This is best explained by an Indian army man, in âA page from the diary of an army manâ which was published at the BBC. I canât recount the whole story because of time constraints but can just give an account of the main points and that too in Urdu so that its originality is retained
âMain us garum garum behte heuay lahoo ki khusboo kabhi nahi bhula paoon ga jo mere dost ki gardan main lagi mujhahedeen ki goli ki waja se beh raha tha. Aik faoji ki heseeyat se ye meri zindagi main aisa pehli bar nahi hua tha magar ab moamla kuch aur tha. Mera dost mere samne dam torr raha tha. Mujhe uss k sath guzra hua aik aik lamha yaad aney lagaâ¦â¦â¦â¦â¦
â¦â¦â¦â¦ iss tarha army aur mujahedeen ki laraee se kis ka nuksaan hota hai; na Pakistani hakumat ka na Hindustani hakumat ka. Nuksaan hota hai tu sirf aur sirf insaniyat kaâ¦â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦
â¦â¦â¦â¦ in mujahedeen ko Pakistan ki intelligence agency training de kar Indian occupied Kashmir behjtee hai; 1 khass mudat k liay. Ye mujahedeen Azad Kashmir se guide k zariyay LOC (line of control) cross kar k Occupied Kashmir aatay hain. Guide Pakistani intelligence agency se paise laite hain LOC cross karwane k aur Indian army se paise lay kar half of them ko ya tu marwa daite hain ya arrest karwa daite hain. Remaining half, successful border cross kar laite hain. Aur Indian army k sath fight karte hain. Again at least half of the remaining half is arrested or killed in the fight. At the end of the agreed period, the remaining have to go back to their country. And exactly the same procedure follows, as the one jo pehli bar follow hua tha. Again half are killed or arrested and only a few manage to returnâ¦â¦â¦â¦â¦
â¦â¦â¦â¦ aise main kis ko faiyda hota hai? Ziyada se ziyada un guides ka jo dono tarf se paise laite hain. Aur nuksaan kis ka hota hai, insaaniyat kaâ¦â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦(And he continues to morn the death of his friend)
Just see, if such a story is published overtly can you imagine that those who are involved directly in such activities are unawares of what happens in the reality? And when they are well aware of it, do you think that preparing someone mentally and physically for Jihad and especially by kidnapping and training them; is it something faithful in your opinion? Even if itâs a justified act in you view then why donât these people send their own children for jihad? Instead why do they send them to USA and UK for higher studies? After all charity begins at homeâ¦â¦!!!
BTW Brother, Islam has never supported extremism and sorry to say, I donât appreciate your words.
@ Kamran Bhai
Thanks for concurring to my views.
I think the people havenât closed their eyes from facts instead they donât try to look for the realities and the ground facts; in the very first place. They are easily convinced by the oily tongues of the âintelligentâ politicians. They are emotion-driven people who donât bother to analyze the things or the facts.
BTW it wasnât a âsilly mistakeâ of MMA. The delay in the resignations was preplanned and was certainly an act to support the govt. and at the same time give an indication to the public that they are fighting for true democracy in Pakistan. Otherwise, it was totally a âdealâ and that too, a deal of âgreat worthâ.