Shariah-compliant Dressing in Audit Firms

Sahar_M · 04-06-2007, 05:31 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Muhammad Amir
 
dress must not be tighted to your body which subsequently reflects your body structure and shape.
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i didnât know that men are also prohibited to wear clothes revealing their body shape .... tht gud [D].. so wht r u guys waiting for ...

kamranACA · 04-06-2007, 08:16 PM

Dear Sahar_M

In Holy Quran, (Soorah-e-Noor,) men are also asked to hide their SHARAM-GAHs. It means that their dresses should not be showing those parts of their body which should not be shown and, if not taken care of, will result in nudity.

Nothing else is prohibted for men, in dressing.

If some trousers are so tight that they cause nudity to any extent, these should be avoided.

Regards,

Kamran.

msc286 · 04-07-2007, 05:10 PM

I think Ms. Sahar might be pointing out the SKIN TIGHT SHIRTS worn by the Juveniles now a days coz such shirts show all the curves of the body.

I would like to draw your kind attention to the fact that SATTAR (Covering or Dressing) for men starts from naval button and it should cover up to the knees (Please correct me if my understanding is false). Any dress fulfilling this is allowed for men.

kamranACA · 04-07-2007, 06:25 PM

Dear Amir,

You have been advocating JAMIA HAFSA that they acted against those women after taking every possible legal action and making all efforts against them. I surely do not accept your version for the reasons already discussed by me.

So, as per your version these MAULVIES are very much lawful and they did those acts because they failed to get any positive response from the law enforcers.

Now, if you have heard the news update for last day's dramma of these MAULVIES, what are your comments. They invited so-called similar minded people from all over the Pakistan to cenvene a meeting/conference at Lal Masjid. It is important to note that from all over Pakistan, these guys were not more than 2,000. What a big democratic gathering, it was. Was not it? Only 2,000 out of total 150,000,000 people of Pakistan. It shows how much general people backing these guys have.

Now they have declared

-to setup some Sharia court encompassing 10 (or more) Mufties to decide the matters.

-the implementation of "the SHARIAT" in an islamic society where Government has alreday introduced shariat courts thus introducing the STATE WTHIN STATE concept.

-They have further threatened the Government that, if any action will be taken against these guys, they will attack government and other establishments using SUICIDE BOMB ATTACKERS.

-They have warned all the shopkeepers having videos and CDs to close their business, otherwise they will take action against them

-They offered such shopkeepers to take funds from them for establishing new businesses.

What the hell is this?

Is it Islam? Is it our Islam? Does our Islam allow suicidal attacks on own muslims and innocent non-muslims? Does our law allows threatnening the government this way? Does our law allow shutting down of business of other? Who gives the individuals this power? Does our Islam allows individuals within a muslim government/state to create there own courts or so-called shariat courts? DO they have some different Sharia than other muslims? or Do other muslims have sharia different than them? (Naoozbillah)

Who are these MAULVIES? Mr. Abdul Rasheed Ghazi (the representative/Vice President of JAMIA, who is called as MAULANA) was personally involved in all terrorist (the then JEHAAD) activities of AFGHANISTAN. The government has so many times captured amunition from their Madrisas/Mosques in previous years. This has been published in news papers

The Jamia Hafza Madrassa was raided by police in July as part of an operation to round up militants after the suicide bombings in London. Allegedly, at least one of the bombers had visited a madrassa in Pakistan a few months before the attacks. (As per BBC report) However, government did some compromise thereafter.

Mr. Ejaz-ul-Haq is the main person who saves these people whenever some action is supposed to be taken against them. The major reason behind is his father's (General ZIA-UL-HAQ) previous relationship with such Maulvies.

I cannot understand how these guys will get BOMBS for suicide attacks. Can you tell me Mr. Amir as you have been invloved in proving them innocent. Do they have a big stock of BOMBS and amunition with them, the force of which, is supporting them to do this all in the capital of the country? If so, then these all should invariably be punished becoz unlawfully holding amunition and such bombs is a crime and these all MAULVIES OF JAMIA are criminals.

If such bombs are not available with them, then how they are sure about getting them, from the market. Who will provide them this amunition? Indians or russians or some others? Would such amunition supplier not be the criminals? Why these MAULVIES have relationship and contacts with criminals. And if they will get this amunition, would they not be doing crime? yes, They will again be the criminals.

Let us dont support these criminals any more.

Regards,

Kamran.

Sahar_M · 04-08-2007, 02:26 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by msc286
 
I would like to draw your kind attention to the fact that SATTAR (Covering or Dressing) for men starts from naval button and it should cover up to the knees (Please correct me if my understanding is false). Any dress fulfilling this is allowed for men.
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yes i was talking abt this not the skin tight shirts of guys ... its only frm navel till the knees ...

Sahar_M · 04-08-2007, 02:38 AM

kamranACA

u are putting forth the case of EXTREMISTS ... remember in all societies n religions the extremists exist ...

now i suggest that we like the media and non-Muslims do not take THEM as an measuring stone for ourselves and stop high-lighting their doings/stupidity â¦ basically there are only a couple of ppl behind the movement aand they donât find it difficult to find fools to follow them. Similar instances hv occurred be4 n shall occur at all times, they are not to put us off the track and we shouldnt our selves question our religious teachings n scholars.

kamranACA · 04-09-2007, 04:54 PM

Dear Sahar,

You are absolutely right.

I never questioned our religious teachings and the noble men of ALLAH. (Naoozbillah).

I am against the extremists and the persons who support their teachings. Islam is the ideal code of life and code of ethics. It is the religion of lawfullness, forgiveness and peace.

We must not forget the incident of FATAH MAKKAH. When muslims (Sahaba-e-Karam Rizvanallah-e-ajmaeen) were entering MAKKAH they did not harm the properties, lives and respects of non-muslims. No one was even threatened. These were those non-muslims who left no stone unturned in destroying the muslims (Naoozbillah). These non-muslims included HINDA who was responsible for the misery of Hazrat Hamza Raziallah's incident. All such non-muslims were forgiven. What better ethics, forgiveness and lawfullness one can quote than this. Even after that FATAH, people saw that PROPHET MUHAMMAD PEACE BE UPON HIM was walking like a common man and his (PBUH) head was bowed with greatest feelings of thanks to his ALLAH. This is the truth of our religion and nothing could be more ideal than it. Whenever I recall incident of FATAH MAKKAH in my memories, I wish to cry with all of my emotions. What a great picture of Islam it was. The religion of peace. Nothing more could be expected.

Thats why, I not only believe Islam, rather, I love Islam.

Regards,

Kamran.

Muhammad Amir · 04-10-2007, 08:18 AM

Mr KamranACA............People like you always say every thing whatever they saw in media specially GEO(the platform of jews)....You are much talking about law and lawfull acts .... ok can you tell me that is declearing someone extremist is lawfull....where this word derived from..... before 9/11 were all of us already enlightened...why muslims were extremists after 9/11....the tag of extremism is always used for muslims now a days....why those people were get involved in 7/7 uk bombings.....have you ever see the other side of canvas...and why 9/11 bombings were imposed explicitly on muslims.... i am very sad about your unauthentic and media influanced and irrational terms....... before 9/11 only Afghanistan was the coutry where islamic laws The Divine laws were instated and stated..............why USA want to diminish it....do the attackers of WTC are these people ..... I must say that the rational the logic behind the muslim extremism is USAs policies.......people like you always very conservative very inveterate ......without knowing facts they start abusing others...this is right that whatever these maddersah students are doing is very very right but right purpose at wrong time with vague grouds....and people like you and i saw many other like you who are having moulvifobia...... why because moulavi is also creating troubles for people like you who want to live without divine restrictions..who want to be a devotee of their thoughts and devil and evil....actually moulvi is the only barrier for whole world ..... these are the moulvees tok part in khatame-e-nabbuvat movement to declear Qadiyanis as kafirs(Infidals/pagans) not people like you you are abusing moulvees can you tell me your contributiuons towards islam how many books have you already written....how many people accept islam at your hand..... you are abusing for people whose contributions were 100% and comparing those ALLAH(S.W.T)'s friends with you ...... i saw lot of your posts criticising moulvees .... ok tell ne your contribution for islam tell me how may hafiz-e-quran were your students tell me how many masajids you constructed...tell me how many scholors you have made... you always talk about graduates of AL-Azhar... have you ever read their thoughts .... their vission...their qualifications...their contributions towards islam...i am talking about al-azhar... now a days altough it was the best institute of islamic learning be now it is not......people like you are the subordinates of (EBLEES) ... you always think that you are right but have you ever seen youself and others ......i was also very upset by having read the comment of someone named PJ MIR criticising paistani cricket team for offering prayers...... i think he INSH-ALLAH receive full justice from ALLAH(S.W.T) very nearly and you will see nealy .....Insha-Allah ...these musharraf's supporters will be in hell...i foresee this fact...INSHA-ALLAH......................................................you always are very keen for society ........ tell me what is your contributions to make society ..........................you are biggist fool i ever saw in my life ...... criticising others with nil contributions...i don't know about your background too much but i say your parents must teach you ethics to talk.......ethics to criticise ........i challenfe to all enlightened moderates to have a debate with me...........you lot talk about moulvees do you know that the reshmi-romal tehrik was headed and leaded my moulvees.... you have criticised lot to moulvees do you know who people were up againse wersteren regimes in 1857 war....... people like you are actually living with their virtuall and illusory thoughts ..but be carefull to propagate your thoughts here...

kamranACA · 04-10-2007, 05:10 PM

Dear Amir,

Pakistan declared its literacy ratio at 26 percent and included all primary pass people in it. Now it might be somewhat better. Our problem as a nation is that we are uneducated. Our leaders (specially Maulvies) are quite uneducated. Maulvies really behave like extremists. You never saw your language while talking to others? You are talking about Islam? You know when before FATAH MAKKAH Abu Sufyaan came to the Prophet PBUH and talked somewhat rashly (Naoozbillah), Hazrat Khalid Bin Waleed Raziallah replied him in his (Abu Sufyaan's) style and threatened him a bit. At that time Hazrat Bilal Raziallah intervened and said "Khalid (R.Z) this is not what has been taught to us by the prophet (PBUH)".

So if in your opinion, I am not doing anything for Islam and You and your so-called Maulvies are doing it, is it a proper language which you are using. Leave me with my thoughts, which may be non-islamic or media influenced. What your islamic thoughts are expressing? I seek God's forgiveness and blessings against such Islamic thoughts which are depicted from your language. In my view, Islam does not allow some one to declare things like "SUBORDINATE OF EBLESS" etc about others.

Just see, even after being hurt from you I am not using these words for you. Just analyse the Islam you have and your Maulvies have.

They are planning to throw bombs on muslims and you are calling subordinate of ebless to muslims.

This is your Islam. It is not the Islam of those who won the fight against Kaafirs. Such followers have always faced defeats like your cricket team is doing. I know PJ Mir is wrong in his ideas. Azan and Namaz are duties. No body can object on it. Yes, these should not make a reason of failure in performing the duties which the team was supposed to perform for which it is paid. It appears that team has failed becoz they paid much attention on extra-cricket resposnibilities. In my view one has to create balance in all duties.

I dont suppose that TALIBAAN were implementing true Islam. You assume whatever about me, but in my view TAALIBAANS were illiterate and uneducated generally. There might be some educated men but influence was of MADRISSA qualified people who dont know anything about education, sience, research and progress for mankind. If only MADRISSA education was supposed to be enough by Islam, then why the Prophet (PBUH) ordered the muslims to go even to CHINA for seeking the knowldge. Which MADRISSAs were established in China. No one, off course. This means that other education is equally important in Islam.

For your further information, Muslim league takes much more side of Maulvies than PPP. But muslim league could never conclude Qadiyaanies as non-muslim. It was Mr. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto who did this all. Dont give its credit to Maulvies. Maulvies were not even united at that time. Study the proceedings of National Assembly when this bill was presented for discussion. You must know that Maulvies failed to give a perfect definition of MUSLIM. Every one's definition was different from the other one and as per those definition every one was non-muslim in other's opinion. Why dont you check the facts. What maulvies have done in that. It was Bhutto's wisdom which settled the issue. Its total credit goes to Bhutto and not to Maulvies. Keep it in your mind and if you have doubts study the proceedings of National Assembly. You eyes will be opened.

You did not find words to save the acts of JAMIA HAFZA and you endeavored to mess up the things.

Concentrate on the focuss point.

Regards,

Kamran.

Muhammad Amir · 04-11-2007, 04:05 AM

I don't need to convince anyone...... and you Mr KamranACA before throwing mud on others.....assess your own position are you in a posotion to throw mud on others....and i ask you about your contributions towards islam..... first tell me your contributions towards Islam and then start criticising others .... you have talk a lot about your perceptions regarding mulvees .... and infact you are moulvee phobiaic person... i don't know the reson behind this... and i talked in my previous posts something that "If any one wants to abuse ALLAH(S.W.T) he can't be able to do this but instead he start abusing the Friends of ALLAH and you did same ion previous posts" and this is the clause not mine it is the clause of an islamic scholar although my sect is very different from him but i really respect him and called him as one of the great scholar's of this centuary named as Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman.......Ok and you have lot talked about taliban's style to incorporate islamic justice (Divine Laws) in Afghanistan....do you have an eye witness of any of the unjust decisions if them..... i once again repeat you are true embassador of Devil and Evil whose roots are back in GEO Telivision and In Israel...i am sorry to tell this truth to others but you have created those circumstances which induce me to open those facts..... you are saying what ever you have heared in media specially GEO and ARY ...and i am very confused that what type of ACA you are who have such capacity if time to watch these telivisions .... so my dear don't look for media propagada and search other sides motives their representations their ideology... tis is what i advise you as being an ACA otherwise you will be facing lot of difficulties in your further preofessional carrer so talk in public forums ethically and authantically ...... don't throw mud on others assess your position and your attitudes........ and i am sorry to say you that every where you are the embassabor of your family an unpaid embassador... so don't represent them in this way .... ok i realize that some times i bocome harsh on others that's my attitude but i susequently appologize for my acts .... and you are that type of person who don;t even know about our society norms otherwise you hadn't talk in such manner .... youi are looking me as a PPPP's paid employee that's great know my suspections are right because you are that moderate that those american PPPP's illetrate valgur bebes are ..... i once again appologize for this but to clear whole situation i must need to talk true because of the circumstances created by you..... i am not in any religious party neither i am any political employee of any party but i am always a front line defendant of My TRUE RELIGION ISLAM and MY BELOVED PROPHETS, THEIR COMPANIONS and FRIENDS OF ALLAH(S.W.T) so i always met you every where .... where you type and ghamdi type EBLLES's Devotees will exists and i always be with those who are true preachers of ISLAM and for this purpose i can do anything even i can be good at martyr ......GOB BLESS ALL MUSLIMS by the EVIL LIKE YOU AND MEDIA PRPAGADISTS

kamranACA · 04-11-2007, 05:31 PM

Dear,

You are really a mad maulvi having no sense of talking to others. You appear to be educated illetrate. You want to know what I have contributed for Islam. Are you my God (Naoozbillah). You dont have to lay down in my grave. Every one is responsible to God for his acts and deeds.

Yes, my first contribution towards Islam is to face Maulvies like you. It is Hadees that a time will come when some of the Ulemaas (so-called) will be the worst people under the sky and over the earth.

You said that you some times become so harsh. Mashallah. You call others the devotees of devil and you just forget that avenge/anger in a human being is the act of devil. Just check out your behaviour and control the devil inside you.

I have read that once in a GHAZVA, HAZRAT ALI KARAM-ALLAH WAJHO was fighting against a Kaafir and that Kafir fell on the ground during the fight. The sowrd of Hazrat Ali K.A.W was on his neck. He tried to spit on the Face of Hazrat Ali K.A.W. (Naoozbillah). Just at that moment Hazrat Ali left him alive and said that until now I was fighting with you for ALLAH. Now you have done this bad act with me and if I will kill you, this killing might be considered my personal avenge, Therefore I let you go.

I know I am not at that level of TAQVA. I also know that you are a muslim and not a Kaafir. Still, I close my fight with you now onwards just for the reason that you continue attacking on me personally and my further debate might become personalized.

I let you go.

But I will never let the Maulvies go. I am always here to face them.

By the way, you could not so far bring any argument to support the envisaged suicide attacks of your Maulvies that is apparently a criminal act.

I pray God to destroy such enemies of Islam, country and muslims.

Regards,

Kamran.

Pracs · 05-11-2007, 09:56 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Schuaeb
 So Pracs you are not seen very often on this forum now a days. Perhaps you have got busy as you mentioned you have got more important things to do (just kidding). Quite rude you have been to this guy Muhammad Amir in last couple of posts and perhaps unjust fully in your first post. After having completely receded from his point of view, there as not much left for disagreement, however, some very harsh remarks were used. And, I guess they become the reason for your angry reply.

Kamran ACA nice and impressive thinking you have got. Yaar one thing that I have already suggested to some members we have got to be a bit concise, as long posts will not attract any interest and members will start skipping. (and members like pracs have got more important works to do);

Shoaib

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I am back, just been away due to work and non availability of an internet connection at home...

Its always a pleasure to be around here,,, I am sure that shows from my posts !

kamranACA · 05-11-2007, 05:28 PM

Dear Pracs,

Guys like you are always needed on such forums.

Regards,

Kamran.

Schuaeb · 05-13-2007, 12:26 AM

Pracs, really delighted to find you back.

Pracs · 05-14-2007, 01:36 AM

Kamran and Schuaeb,

Thank you for your kind words, I am on the forum hence forth and my previous non attendance was purely on grounds of logistics reasons, now having been rectified.

I am sure Amir has not even read Kamran's posts and if he has so not tried to understand them and if he has done so, then God help us all !

It only pains to see, read and meet people of such rigid beliefs (if these are beliefs at all). The Jamia Hafsa episode is but the tip of the iceberg of a society that is fast becoming intolerant and non functional, presuming that it is 'their God given right' to police the nation and do as they please I am always amused that such extreme actions are never taken against people who are grossly guilty of crimes against humanity (viz haqooq alabad) say the constable who is taking bribes or the workers of the local sanitation agency who are not up to their jobs or for that matter the customer services people in our Utility companies,.. its never happened and mind you all never will.