Is ICMAP bigger than CIMA?

rabia-k · 10-22-2009, 07:25 PM

By the way retarded has reminded me of that golden question "Are you a qualified ACCA or a CA " its still unanswered!

awaisaftab · 10-22-2009, 07:41 PM

I will give you full reply later. But how you can assume that I have lived my life in Rawalpindi. Do you know about my family background ???? I know very well about Potohari Traditions. Everyone know and you have disclosed that you live in Lahrore. A person who lives in Rawalpindi and Islamabad know very well about potohari traditions. Do you know about my native village??? Do you know how frequently I visit my village ???? Even you do not konw anything about the residential status of my family??? You are talking as you are my relative or know abou me from your childhood.

hshamsi · 10-22-2009, 07:55 PM

@ kamran

ur rite , wen ppl dnt find their way out, thy start pulling Ahadees in their arguments, of course everyone can c n knowz., its jst abt realizin it, bt ofcourse self-centred onez alwayz got sm probz otherwise wo prophet na ban jain..

@ osama

i also know sm of thm at islamic, wz shockd abt to hear it.. situation still nt gud, today mornin fired at G-11 , 3 army men embraced martyrdo thn tha same militants fired at F-8 in noon.. may Allah give their parents to courage to bear it n may Allah rest the onez embraced martyrdom in peace.. amin

regards

rabia-k · 10-22-2009, 07:57 PM

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 Salam,

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Osama, Death is inevitable, which can neither be prognosticated nor prorogued, So no fear should exist, when no reaction over the action can be taken.
Remember, has done, whatever should have been done(By Allah), is being done, whatever should be done (by Allah) and will be done, whatever is about to be done regardless of whatever steps are taken to getaway from inevitables.

Also remember, you cannot die, unless your time has come, Fortune is written before 50,000 years of the birth of a person i.e. all the things are certain. No one can die before time, no one can earn more than written, no one can die even before eating the last meal of his/her fortune.

When every thing is pre planned then why fear to die(atleast).

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whwn everything is pre - planned then why do we say that "SUICIDE" is a "HARAM" maut? when someone commits suicide why do we say that he will go to hell for it? as we only die when our time comes?

hshamsi · 10-22-2009, 08:03 PM

@ rabia

suicide is haram becuz only Allah has right for our death, takin out our souls.., thy say that suicide is haram n for that one who commits suicide 'll go to hell.. he didnt waited for Allah's order to cum, wo jannat ka haqdar ni ha, wo kbhi jannat ka maza ni chakhh sahta..

regards

Spectator · 10-22-2009, 09:59 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by retarded
 AMMAA[0]
Sher idhar udhar kia hue, Geedar khul k samnay aiya (Word "Ghadha" replaced with "Geedar" for the purpose of presentation)
Aur bhai baray josh may aiya,[0]

Bhai Awais , may nay tumhay kaha bhe tha k issue resolved ho chuka hai aur yeh bhe kaha tha k yeh "cuss" ab irrelevant bakay ga (aur is ki hameesha ki tarah koi nahi sunay ga, lakin mere hamdardi aisay logon k sath hameesha hoti hai) ab yeh Half Boiled jal chuka hai aur aisay anday ko phenk diya jata hai[p]

I am again of the view that this issue has been resolved and accordingly be stoped here - [})] This "Cuss" should givein now, probably i would forgive him (Dou Char Laffar laga k[p])

Topic has also been changed from the original subject, hence now it would be a verbal battle from now onward, this has remained his practise to enter into the unnecessary debate, yeh apni tangh wahan bhe aarha deta hai jahan is ki koi zaroorat nahi hoti, phir members khud he peechay hath jatay hain yeh soch ker k " Jahailoon k mu kon lagay" wo bhee parha likha jahil[(!], jis say khali baatain karwa lo. bare bare baatain kar k dikhai ga but only in favor of Ghadhay
Generating Institute [8D]

Awais yad rakhoo, Zameer us ka jagiya jata hai jis ka zameer so raha ho, lakin jab zameer mar jata hai to ----------[V]

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whoops !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whts goin on at this thread????????????????????

Plz stop it here [(!]

awaisaftab · 10-22-2009, 10:27 PM

KAMRAN

You say
âI wonder why you are trying to preach the message of Christianity Is there any reason? Here, in Islamâ

It means that the Hadees I quoted in my last post was right and accurate. Now you want to say that I am a preacher of Christianity (Astagfirqullah) . I am Muslim (Alham o Lillah) but the hadees quoted by me reveals that in blindness of enmity a person can do anything, as you blaming that I am preacher of Christianity (Nauzubillah Min Zalik).

Although Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) have used donkeys for traveling but our society and tradition is different from Arab culture in respect of culture. In Arabic word Bandar is used for beautiful person but in out society it is used for monkey. I donât want to mold the situation through Hadees . I think you gave the example of General Zia because he was a Potohari. I quoted hadees only for the preaching to you. If you (Half boiled Molvi) has any idea of Islamic education you would be able to realize that a Muslim can preach others.

One place Allah says

Allah Sabar kerne walon k sath ha

So if one abusing ICAP then there are many members of forum who belong from ICAP why only you replied to him and take the whole burden of sin on your shoulders.

Mr. Kamran one thing is FATWA and one thing is TAQWA fatwa is that you can give answer to abuser but remember to the extant of his sin but you can not punish his whole group or group of persons from which he belongs. Taqwa is that you can forgive the abuser. But you are not the president and lawyer of ICAP and it is not responsibility of you to fight with one who use any wrong word against ICAP.

One thing remember that all people have the arguments Jewish, Christians and Hindus all have arguments but arguments should must be relevant.
You wrote a two page reply in return of my post. How much you have written about Islamic Economics and Finance.

You Say

âI guess the people who have lived their lives in Urban area of Rawalpindi in fact do not know the Pothohar in real sense.â

What is your view about you, a person lives in Rawalpindi do not know the Potohar in real sense and a Person Lives in Lahore know each and everything about potohar . What a joke yar. I think Potohar Ki bat ap ne dil per le ly.

It is not battlefield and I have no intension of any physical battle with anyone so there is no need to fear. I have quoted in last that our nerves are as strong as the soil and rocks of Potohar are strong. I always follow law and a peaceful citizen.

I feel proud that I belong from a religious family the Ulema of my family give guidance to me and I have been getting religious knowledge from them as well as from other ulemas.

I think the discussion has completed .

Regards,

Awais Aftab

rabia-k · 10-22-2009, 10:40 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by hshamsi
 @ rabia

suicide is haram becuz only Allah has right for our death, takin out our souls.., thy say that suicide is haram n for that one who commits suicide 'll go to hell.. he didnt waited for Allah's order to cum, wo jannat ka haqdar ni ha, wo kbhi jannat ka maza ni chakhh sahta..

regards
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just a thought, our is the only country where muslims are being killed by muslims and both parties call themselves shaheed!

sumairalam · 10-22-2009, 11:21 PM

Nop there are many other muslim countries just google you will find .
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just a thought, our is the only country where muslims are being killed by muslims and both parties call themselves shaheed!
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kamranACA · 10-22-2009, 11:52 PM

Awais,

First of all can you show me where in the line you are quoting (as given below) I said that you particularly are living at Rawalpindi. Secondly, can you prove at any of the thread in entire forum where I said I am from Lahore. Give it a try; let's see how efficient you are and how good is your memory.

"...........I guess the people who have lived their lives in Urban area of Rawalpindi in fact do not know the Pothohar in real sense..............."

Yeh tu haalat hai, ab aur kia kahoon? If I will say anything else, you will certainly find it a dushmani.

Do you find anything obstructive or humiliating by its nature in above quoted sentence? Don't you see the word "I guess"? Is it necessary for "guessing" to know one's family, background, exact location (even if you feel this sentence was directed to you?). Has there arisen some problem now a days to understand the simple written material? I simply wrote that we have family ties with pothohari people and as per my guess people living in PINDI (urban area) don't much know the "pothohar". It was about pothohar and not about pothohaaries; look at my post if you don't remember. If some one has been living in PINDI urban area how can he know the deep rooted traditions of pothohar? Rural life of pothohar is the real picture of the beauty of pothohar and its traditions. I mean how do you connect everything with yourself. I just asked you not to educate me about pothohar and pothoharies. Is there any issue with this request?

Although the reference of PINDI urban area was a general remark still don't you remember how long you kept on composing the tunes in praise of Islamabad and Rawalpindi in your posts at General's sub forum in a thread titled "My City"? Will you now be going to delete it like a bug on this thread?

This is the very first time I heard that Zia ul Haq was a pothohari. Thanks for adding it to my knowledge. However, to my info he was from ARAAIN family hailing from Indian Jalandher (a common caste of southern Punjab) and his son, I don't know, if has contested the NA election from any where at pothohar. Rather Ejaz-ul-Haq has been contesting from Toba Tek Sing only for the reason that Toba Tek Sing has majority of ARRAIN population. If he is pothohari then is it a way you guys treat your own people that they find other places better than their own? You are not bound to reply this question.

How do I know pothohar is a question which I may not reply because these ties are very strong and from the outset aur story lambi ho jaaey gee. I know pothohar from last 25 years, majority of the rural or urban area. Either it is sehala, sohava, rawaat, mandra, gojar khan or whatever. I am however not an inhabitant of pothohar. I don't know what makes you to feel everything in same fashion. Just find out where I said I am from Lahore, although every city is mine be it Lahore, Rawalpindi, DiKhan, DG Khan, Multan, Hyderabad or Karachi or any one else. Why because I am a Pakistani. I should naturally know every one including pothohar. I would wait for the results of your search. Kuch tu soch kar likha karo. Hadd hai yar. Tehqeeeq zaroori hai aur religious banday kay liyey zyada zaroori hai (as you say you are).

You appeared to have been preaching the concept of Christianity by saying that why eye has been taken against eye. When you found no way out you have started differentiating TAQWA and FATWA. When some one will distort the teachings of Islam for getting favors what the others will say specially when such distortion leads to the concept of Christianity? I never claimed that any of my family member is AALIM (or even Mullah) so I need not to be a half boiled Maulvi. To me the definition of ALLAM is quite different.

I don't "feel" you are a strict follower of the quotation about SABAR which you have given. Are you?

You were quoting AHAADEES, were you a designated president or lawyer of Islam or all muslims? You have been praising ICMAP (even if you are not a CMA); is it because you are its president or lawyer? You appear to be very touchy about pothohaar, are you a president of pothoharies or a lawyer? The intimacies and beliefs have lot more reasons so come out of this poor helpless thought. However, you may or may not do so since it's your will.

You always talk about your religious family and say "I feel proud". Do you know what AHADEES say about feeling such a proud? That's why I said you are a half boiled Maulvi. Please learn something from those religious people of your family who did not even tell you that proud is a biggest sin regardless of your claim that they educate you. If you need, let me know and I will tell you what Hadees says about FAKHAR or proud. We all are human beings and all humans are sinful except Prophets. Whatever we are, and whoever we are, we will only be forgiven with the will and blessing of ALLAH. I wonder if such proud or such Ulema will come forward to get forgiveness for us. Kia Ham, Kia hamaarey Ulema aur kia ham sab (including Ulema) kee auqaat. My words would appear bit sour but if you will try you will know it is a fact.

Let's see if this debate is completed.

Bug is again ignored.

Regards,

KAMRAN.

Mujahid · 10-23-2009, 01:40 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rabia-k

@retarded, over qualified, extremely qualified LOLzzzz[D]

my sympathies with you on your "moron bhai's" (this nick name is given to him by other forum members NOT me) departure from this forum. [/i]
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Honton pe kabhiii un k.. mera naam hii aaye [D]

Aaye to sahiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii... [D]

Purani yaadein taaza kar deen rabiye. [D]

Toronto_Boy · 10-23-2009, 01:45 AM

Dears

Though it is off topic, but here a good question was raised. Following paras may provide an explanation.

Length of life and "rizq" are Taqdeer-e-Mubarram, i.e. fixed by Allah. So, does not change by dua or good actions. Now, question arises, if it is pre-destined by Allah, then why suicide or killing someone else is haram cuz person does that due to fixed, pre-written Taqdeer-e-Mubarram by Allah, so that person should not be responsible.

The answer is, basically Allah is omniscient, knows all infinitely. He knows beforehand what would happen in future. So, he wrote what that typical person would do and about his actions.

Moreover, taking any human beingâs life (including killing oneself), except under certain conditions like Islamic Punishments, or âqatal-e-kafir during warâ etc. is âharam/â forbidden act. Therefore, whoever intentionally commits such haram act (suicide or homicide) with all his sanity would be responsible for his âactionâ (i.e. amal), not Allah because he wrote.

Wallah-o-Alam. May Allah forgive me for any mistake.

Regards

awaisaftab · 10-23-2009, 01:52 AM

I dont want to say anything about your large story of potohar.It is your old habit that you try to diver others from original topic. But I want to only say that you have again endorsed my point that you want to prove that I have no even knowledge about potohar. I don't have any need to prove me that I have much knowledge about potohar.

The story is short that you passed a hanios remarks about CMA's. I was not advocating anyone .It was you who gave my humble discussion to a wrong colour. I was just quoting hadis for you but I am sorry to say that there is nothing scard in your eyes it is your personaliy and ego that revolves around your personality. COOL DOWN and see the my Post again. You were passing wrong remarks about all CMA's but when I adviced you then you instead of accepting your mistake you started other discussions and to divert others. Keep it in mind Azar badtar Gunah. So do not make lame excuses and accept your mistake.

I say I feel proud that I belong from a religious family. Two words are used in urdu Ghurur and Fakhar there is a difference between the two. If you are unable to differenciate among these words then I cannot do anything except doing matum on some wisdom. It is your old habit you involve the others in the irrelevant stories . In fact it is apparent that you were hummliating all CMA's. If some person do mistake aur tumaharay dil main nafrat ki ag thatay marne lagi thee to tum ne sare CMA's k bare main qn remarks pass kiay. I thing on these types of acts of other members you cry Admin, admin. But I will never cry for admin's help. I want to know how matters are resolved. . You are now a professional.

I have no need to delete any post I have exposure of both rural and urban lives.

Regards,

Awais Aftab

rabia-k · 10-23-2009, 02:13 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mujahid
 <blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rabia-k

@retarded, over qualified, extremely qualified LOLzzzz[D]

my sympathies with you on your "moron bhai's" (this nick name is given to him by other forum members NOT me) departure from this forum. [/i]
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Honton pe kabhiii un k.. mera naam hii aaye [D]

Aaye to sahiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii... [D]

Purani yaadein taaza kar deen rabiye. [D]
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arrey mein nei to khayal hi nahi kya, you gave him this nick nah![D] kya nick socha tha, [D][D]

Mujahid · 10-23-2009, 02:25 AM

Bas dekh lo.. Nigah-e-Mard-e-Momin kaisi hoti hai. [D]