04-04-2005, 06:29 AM
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<br />well just to add to the the topic, in history there r a lot of wars fought in the name of religion, like ghuzwa badr,khandak,ohad and so on in thhe islamic history they were fought with religious zeal and not for nationality, other wars were the crusades fought bby musllims and christains .......what will u say to that?????? in all these wars not a specific tribe,community or state was involved
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i was actually discussiong the causes of bloodshed in human history. and history tells us that major cause is nationalism ( a misunderstanding by a group of people that they are superior from others - desert sleight calls it tribal instinct-). true, wars are fought on the basis of ideology as well, but loss of human life in those wars is no match to the wars fought to fulfill the desire of a nation to rule the world. and history supports it, in only world war I, 8.5 million people were killed and in world war II the figure is normally believed to be over 50 million. and the wars fought in the beginning of islam look skirmishes when we consider other major battles, though later great pitched battles were fought. but my personal opinion is that not more that one million people would have been died in the wars untill the caliphat of Usman (r.a). even during that period more deadly wars were fought between persians and romans ( these wars were fought on the basis of nationhood).
surely crusades are the deadliest wars in human history fought for an ideology but despite all the brutality of crusade forces, human loss in those wars was no match to the slaughter by mongols. mongols on most occasions killed almost the entire population of biggest cities of that time, including samarkand and baghdad. and mongol wars were purely fought with an intention to dominate other nations. It will be interesting to note that by the time the decisive war was fought between mamalooks and mongols ( at shaqhab) a significant portion in mongol army had converted to islam still they were fighting for their nation.
these are few wars that we can count on fingers fought for religion, otherwise human history is more than full with wars and bloodshed. so as people talk about controlling religious fanaticism because it's a threat to human peace (true! it is) we should not ignore the nationalist extremists. simply because history has told us that they are the major cause of human sufferings.
as in Quran
And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, while we glorify You with praises and thanks (Exalted be You as partners) and sanctify You. " He ( Allah) said "I know that which you do not know." (( al-baqra 30))
inta habieba omri, malikta omri
<br />well just to add to the the topic, in history there r a lot of wars fought in the name of religion, like ghuzwa badr,khandak,ohad and so on in thhe islamic history they were fought with religious zeal and not for nationality, other wars were the crusades fought bby musllims and christains .......what will u say to that?????? in all these wars not a specific tribe,community or state was involved
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i was actually discussiong the causes of bloodshed in human history. and history tells us that major cause is nationalism ( a misunderstanding by a group of people that they are superior from others - desert sleight calls it tribal instinct-). true, wars are fought on the basis of ideology as well, but loss of human life in those wars is no match to the wars fought to fulfill the desire of a nation to rule the world. and history supports it, in only world war I, 8.5 million people were killed and in world war II the figure is normally believed to be over 50 million. and the wars fought in the beginning of islam look skirmishes when we consider other major battles, though later great pitched battles were fought. but my personal opinion is that not more that one million people would have been died in the wars untill the caliphat of Usman (r.a). even during that period more deadly wars were fought between persians and romans ( these wars were fought on the basis of nationhood).
surely crusades are the deadliest wars in human history fought for an ideology but despite all the brutality of crusade forces, human loss in those wars was no match to the slaughter by mongols. mongols on most occasions killed almost the entire population of biggest cities of that time, including samarkand and baghdad. and mongol wars were purely fought with an intention to dominate other nations. It will be interesting to note that by the time the decisive war was fought between mamalooks and mongols ( at shaqhab) a significant portion in mongol army had converted to islam still they were fighting for their nation.
these are few wars that we can count on fingers fought for religion, otherwise human history is more than full with wars and bloodshed. so as people talk about controlling religious fanaticism because it's a threat to human peace (true! it is) we should not ignore the nationalist extremists. simply because history has told us that they are the major cause of human sufferings.
as in Quran
And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, while we glorify You with praises and thanks (Exalted be You as partners) and sanctify You. " He ( Allah) said "I know that which you do not know." (( al-baqra 30))
inta habieba omri, malikta omri
