05-30-2005, 08:26 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Desert Sleet</i>
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And you think that States are so alike as to ensure that totalitarianism can happen here? Dream on....<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> ), I understand the difficulties. But lets say i can change one heart, just one. which due to conviction chnages another and another and another. I know it is a dream but what is wrong with putting your efforts to achieve it. Let say I die doing efforts for it and my coming generation dies likewise and thier comming likewise atleast s'where there would be a differences. All the revolutions in history of the civilizations had been made like this. After all I'm pursuing the purest and true way of harmony and peace.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Desert Sleet</i>
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As for Govt, sure it can't be trusted and there will always be some corruption however your own government is one of the more corrupt on the planet and I dont see your country men all up in arms, I hear a lot of talk about people who would love to change things and have this fantasy that they will do it but back in the real world it simply is not feasible to change the government that way. They have too much power now.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">By your choice of words, I realise that you think i'm assosiated with some religious group which is working to achieve what i've written earlier. If you think that way, you are mistaken the truth is, I'm not assosiated with any group/sect etc. I'm an individual who believes that see the problems and has been analyzing various solutions and has now reached a point with conviction that the best solution is what i've mentioned earlier. That is a simple equation of why i say what i say.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Desert Sleet</i>
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Although i am not in favour of democracy but i believe that democracy and Islam are compatible. Islam speaks of the importance of shura which is consultation, of ijma which is consensus and of ijtehad which is independent reasoning. I believe that these three Islamic principles provide a basis for democracy.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
i guess it is only the perception of the word "democracy" which makes it aligned with the Islamic principals and/or make it unaligned. You the democracy which is practiced now a days where every individual has a power of "one" vote to choose the leader is not what Islam has tought. And I personaly believe this should be like this. As an educated and an ignorant cant be and are not the same. So why give equal power to both. Secontly you see the importance of shura to which you are pointing you must be aware that shura constitutes of the "greatest" scholars.
Then in modern democracy if you are elected as a ruler of the country you are taken to a palace which is surrounded by number of guards. you escot costs God knows how much and a common man can not have access to you. While in Khilafa, once you are elected as a ruler, even if you are most richest person of the nation you can not increase living standard more than that of a middle class average family, which off course puts you in a better position to find out about the problems of the majority of your nation. And if a person in a Friday sermon can point out Omer(ra) and hold him accountable for taking extra piece of cloth from the 'bait-ul-maal' then you can very well imagine the extent of 'freedom to speak' and 'democracy' and 'transparancy' at the top level.
It was good to talk to you <b>Desert Sleet</b> and share views with you. hope to see you around.
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And you think that States are so alike as to ensure that totalitarianism can happen here? Dream on....<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> ), I understand the difficulties. But lets say i can change one heart, just one. which due to conviction chnages another and another and another. I know it is a dream but what is wrong with putting your efforts to achieve it. Let say I die doing efforts for it and my coming generation dies likewise and thier comming likewise atleast s'where there would be a differences. All the revolutions in history of the civilizations had been made like this. After all I'm pursuing the purest and true way of harmony and peace.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Desert Sleet</i>
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As for Govt, sure it can't be trusted and there will always be some corruption however your own government is one of the more corrupt on the planet and I dont see your country men all up in arms, I hear a lot of talk about people who would love to change things and have this fantasy that they will do it but back in the real world it simply is not feasible to change the government that way. They have too much power now.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">By your choice of words, I realise that you think i'm assosiated with some religious group which is working to achieve what i've written earlier. If you think that way, you are mistaken the truth is, I'm not assosiated with any group/sect etc. I'm an individual who believes that see the problems and has been analyzing various solutions and has now reached a point with conviction that the best solution is what i've mentioned earlier. That is a simple equation of why i say what i say.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Desert Sleet</i>
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Although i am not in favour of democracy but i believe that democracy and Islam are compatible. Islam speaks of the importance of shura which is consultation, of ijma which is consensus and of ijtehad which is independent reasoning. I believe that these three Islamic principles provide a basis for democracy.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
i guess it is only the perception of the word "democracy" which makes it aligned with the Islamic principals and/or make it unaligned. You the democracy which is practiced now a days where every individual has a power of "one" vote to choose the leader is not what Islam has tought. And I personaly believe this should be like this. As an educated and an ignorant cant be and are not the same. So why give equal power to both. Secontly you see the importance of shura to which you are pointing you must be aware that shura constitutes of the "greatest" scholars.
Then in modern democracy if you are elected as a ruler of the country you are taken to a palace which is surrounded by number of guards. you escot costs God knows how much and a common man can not have access to you. While in Khilafa, once you are elected as a ruler, even if you are most richest person of the nation you can not increase living standard more than that of a middle class average family, which off course puts you in a better position to find out about the problems of the majority of your nation. And if a person in a Friday sermon can point out Omer(ra) and hold him accountable for taking extra piece of cloth from the 'bait-ul-maal' then you can very well imagine the extent of 'freedom to speak' and 'democracy' and 'transparancy' at the top level.
It was good to talk to you <b>Desert Sleet</b> and share views with you. hope to see you around.
