06-08-2005, 11:03 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pracs</i>
<br />I think we agree on quite a many issues here ehson. But all this is more on the theoratical side, say a good catch for an academic discussion. We have all asked questions if it's ever going to be possible.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I'd not say it 'all' on the theoretical side. You see we can atleast try to educate people.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pracs</i>
<br />I think the only possibility is a to fashion the OIC on the lines of the EU, that is the best chance we may ever have to have an Islamic state.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">True, but this would only work if the leader representing the countries have an islamic mind frame. s'one who does curroption would never agree to this ideology. i seriously do think many of the OIC reps currently would appriciate this idea.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pracs</i>
<br />Coming to Pakistan, I think the Objectives Resolution ensures that any constitution drawn in its light (including the present one) will be in light with the Islamic spirit. What we need is democracy in its right manifestation (with this I do not mean the General's govt.) free of the stake holder groups and then strong hold, which are the Army, the bureaucracy and the landlords. An effective Judicial system paired with an effective executive. Having done that, I think we can start to begin the Journey towards an Islamic state. The Utopia,. at this point of time.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> As I see the case you are advocating and the one I'm supporting both seem like a utopia. Why then work for democracy and not for Caliphate.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pracs</i>
<br />There is no practicality to go about electing a Khalifa, unless we have a bloody revolution like the Iranians and an institutionalised clergy (like the Shias have). This is somethng just not possible for us, because of a large number of Muslim sects within the Sunnis and the Shias to just start with. No to mention all the different ethinicities.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Bloody revolution would eventually be there regardless of to what you want to revolutionize your country, my friend.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pracs</i>
<br />Yeah, and a little history lesson, the Indus land (or the present day Pakistan) has never had a revolution, revolt or an uprising against who so ever was incharge, ever. So don't even think about that option. Its just not in us.!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Well dont worry about that, we might import some of the individuals for such revolution. I mean they say it would be a single market in the globalization, why not then bring to indus land what we never had earlier. )
<br />I think we agree on quite a many issues here ehson. But all this is more on the theoratical side, say a good catch for an academic discussion. We have all asked questions if it's ever going to be possible.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I'd not say it 'all' on the theoretical side. You see we can atleast try to educate people.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pracs</i>
<br />I think the only possibility is a to fashion the OIC on the lines of the EU, that is the best chance we may ever have to have an Islamic state.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">True, but this would only work if the leader representing the countries have an islamic mind frame. s'one who does curroption would never agree to this ideology. i seriously do think many of the OIC reps currently would appriciate this idea.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pracs</i>
<br />Coming to Pakistan, I think the Objectives Resolution ensures that any constitution drawn in its light (including the present one) will be in light with the Islamic spirit. What we need is democracy in its right manifestation (with this I do not mean the General's govt.) free of the stake holder groups and then strong hold, which are the Army, the bureaucracy and the landlords. An effective Judicial system paired with an effective executive. Having done that, I think we can start to begin the Journey towards an Islamic state. The Utopia,. at this point of time.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> As I see the case you are advocating and the one I'm supporting both seem like a utopia. Why then work for democracy and not for Caliphate.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pracs</i>
<br />There is no practicality to go about electing a Khalifa, unless we have a bloody revolution like the Iranians and an institutionalised clergy (like the Shias have). This is somethng just not possible for us, because of a large number of Muslim sects within the Sunnis and the Shias to just start with. No to mention all the different ethinicities.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Bloody revolution would eventually be there regardless of to what you want to revolutionize your country, my friend.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pracs</i>
<br />Yeah, and a little history lesson, the Indus land (or the present day Pakistan) has never had a revolution, revolt or an uprising against who so ever was incharge, ever. So don't even think about that option. Its just not in us.!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Well dont worry about that, we might import some of the individuals for such revolution. I mean they say it would be a single market in the globalization, why not then bring to indus land what we never had earlier. )
