06-18-2005, 05:01 AM
Ehson,
Agree with you on Iran and Arabs,.
Chinese, yes they are going to be the next super power and perhaps fight the rest of the western world for oil in the Gulf,. that must give them a right to be proud,.. but they were proud of themselves when the 1949 revolution came in,. this is just adding to your piece.
Indians.. hmm well, my dear they do have some nice figures coming up.. and I see the way you see them. just proves the point how effective their propoganda is,.. that is exactly my point they stand behind each other rank and file and no matter will never be as pathetic as we become of our country. India is not just about Hindus,, Hindus ..the non shceduled type are just around 40% of the total population, the balance are scheduled castes, the untouchables, muslims, christians and sikhs. Those who are most disadvantaged are the scheduled castes and Muslims (don't mention Sharukh Khan or Amir khan, that does not count in any manner). You talk about Elite Pakistani children not knowing or being able to read the Quran,.. do you know that a majority of Muslims in India do not know how to read the Arabic script,. simply because post independence all schools systematically took urdu or Islamic studies off. The only MUSLIMS who can actually read are the one's in UP and Bihar,, simply because they get URDU as a subject.
They are bound to hold the most scholarships in the West due to the following reasons
-They have the potential of churning out the largest number of Graduates who can read English,
-The have never been banned by any western country, say in nuclear physics, space science, etc.
-GMAT, GRE whatever, I bet if we were close to a billion people , we had higher scores number wise.
-its easier to get into a Masters programme because their Bachelors program is 4 years compared to our 2 years.. so make nothing special on that.
You my friend are too impressed on the Indian education system, an Indain Chartered Accountant from a smaller city can barely speak English, would start on a salary of IRs 5,000 compared to an Indian CA from a Big 4 in one of the 4 metropols at a IRS. 40,000. How does that compare to CA's back home in Pakistan.
As a matter of fact its not just India, students from South Asia score higher on GMAT, GRE and USMLE etc.
Yeah they had the good fortune of not having to have gone through any military rules, and the lame and dumb democracy they do have does stagger on, not forgetting the Kashmirs, Gujrats, Nagalands, Asams, Khalistans, and so forth.
With almost a population equal to that of China, and the highest number of graduates in the world, and industrial base that is 300 years old, they are barely doing half as well when compared to China.
The first Passenger Bus rolled out of the Leyland factories in Gujrat 150 years ago, and the 2005 Ashok Leyland is just not your Bedford... get my point, they must have done this well 25 years ago,.. they missed the bus by 25 years. I am not impressed. I'll be impressed with India when her teeming millions do not work on a pathetic dog's pay in Dubai, Saudi, Oman or wherever.
You are impressed by the genious of Indians, let me tell you, we are better than them in every field. Indians are the lowest paid workers in every country they go to ! Don't even get me started on that !
All those things you put forward about Pakistan are true, unfortunately that is also happening every where else,. In India, in the UK, in US. Pick up a paper here in the UK and that is all you will read. That does not make it some thing not to be worried about. We should in all our effort stand up to it and call spade a spade, we need to be critical, we need to question, we need to change mind sets, we need to have more freedom, we need to educate people, we need to have justice, we need access to clean water, we need a lot of things.
That in itself does not give us the right to blacken our own face and ride the proverbial donkey, that will just draw village kids pelting you with stones and rotten eggs.
When two brothers fight in a house they don't go out in the street and spit on their own home !, they don't say they are ashamed to be a resident of that place. They put things together among themselves, they clean out the dirt ! not bring it in more.
We need to be Proud to be Pakistanis, that is what we need to do !
Agree with you on Iran and Arabs,.
Chinese, yes they are going to be the next super power and perhaps fight the rest of the western world for oil in the Gulf,. that must give them a right to be proud,.. but they were proud of themselves when the 1949 revolution came in,. this is just adding to your piece.
Indians.. hmm well, my dear they do have some nice figures coming up.. and I see the way you see them. just proves the point how effective their propoganda is,.. that is exactly my point they stand behind each other rank and file and no matter will never be as pathetic as we become of our country. India is not just about Hindus,, Hindus ..the non shceduled type are just around 40% of the total population, the balance are scheduled castes, the untouchables, muslims, christians and sikhs. Those who are most disadvantaged are the scheduled castes and Muslims (don't mention Sharukh Khan or Amir khan, that does not count in any manner). You talk about Elite Pakistani children not knowing or being able to read the Quran,.. do you know that a majority of Muslims in India do not know how to read the Arabic script,. simply because post independence all schools systematically took urdu or Islamic studies off. The only MUSLIMS who can actually read are the one's in UP and Bihar,, simply because they get URDU as a subject.
They are bound to hold the most scholarships in the West due to the following reasons
-They have the potential of churning out the largest number of Graduates who can read English,
-The have never been banned by any western country, say in nuclear physics, space science, etc.
-GMAT, GRE whatever, I bet if we were close to a billion people , we had higher scores number wise.
-its easier to get into a Masters programme because their Bachelors program is 4 years compared to our 2 years.. so make nothing special on that.
You my friend are too impressed on the Indian education system, an Indain Chartered Accountant from a smaller city can barely speak English, would start on a salary of IRs 5,000 compared to an Indian CA from a Big 4 in one of the 4 metropols at a IRS. 40,000. How does that compare to CA's back home in Pakistan.
As a matter of fact its not just India, students from South Asia score higher on GMAT, GRE and USMLE etc.
Yeah they had the good fortune of not having to have gone through any military rules, and the lame and dumb democracy they do have does stagger on, not forgetting the Kashmirs, Gujrats, Nagalands, Asams, Khalistans, and so forth.
With almost a population equal to that of China, and the highest number of graduates in the world, and industrial base that is 300 years old, they are barely doing half as well when compared to China.
The first Passenger Bus rolled out of the Leyland factories in Gujrat 150 years ago, and the 2005 Ashok Leyland is just not your Bedford... get my point, they must have done this well 25 years ago,.. they missed the bus by 25 years. I am not impressed. I'll be impressed with India when her teeming millions do not work on a pathetic dog's pay in Dubai, Saudi, Oman or wherever.
You are impressed by the genious of Indians, let me tell you, we are better than them in every field. Indians are the lowest paid workers in every country they go to ! Don't even get me started on that !
All those things you put forward about Pakistan are true, unfortunately that is also happening every where else,. In India, in the UK, in US. Pick up a paper here in the UK and that is all you will read. That does not make it some thing not to be worried about. We should in all our effort stand up to it and call spade a spade, we need to be critical, we need to question, we need to change mind sets, we need to have more freedom, we need to educate people, we need to have justice, we need access to clean water, we need a lot of things.
That in itself does not give us the right to blacken our own face and ride the proverbial donkey, that will just draw village kids pelting you with stones and rotten eggs.
When two brothers fight in a house they don't go out in the street and spit on their own home !, they don't say they are ashamed to be a resident of that place. They put things together among themselves, they clean out the dirt ! not bring it in more.
We need to be Proud to be Pakistanis, that is what we need to do !
