Proud to be a Pakistani !

ehson · 07-10-2005, 09:27 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Here is what I Think, and ofcourse I beg to differ<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I always enjoy the differnce in viewpoint. Otherwise the world would ahve been boring.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Agreed, I know Govt.'s in Pakistan do all sorts of high handedness to quell opposition, but mind you none of that is legal, and Govt's in this country have been brought down because of their high handedness, come to think of it one Prime Minister was actually hanged on the pretext of being responsible for the Murder of a member of the Opposition. Ofcourse, none of it should be acceptable to us either ways.

When it comes to Malaysia and Singapore,.. you see their bright side,. you see the development and not the curb on personal liberty. Good I guess its rubbing into you, one day you will see the bright side to Pakistan as well,<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I've been repeating this over and over again. I see thier good points becuase we lack them. I'm least concerned about their bad points becuase that is not my home. What is so difficult about understanding this simple point.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Come on you can do better than this,.. ''I can see that they are better than us ?" how dear brother, care to explain. They have an equal percentage of people living below the Poverty line, they have problems (as a country) the size of whole countries ! Say what you may you are just spell bound by their sheer size of propoganda, I can understand their media is oozing out of our ears and it does the most damage when people are young !<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I'v given the explaination earlier but for one thing right now even tough we are rated equal on the poverline yet they are more educated.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Well, yes Pakistanis are in many ways better than Indians. The geographical entities of India and Pakistan differ greatly though. India does have huge amounts of coal (industry grade), petroleoum and a host of other minerals which we do not have or so in small quantities. Plus, Plus they had a hundred head start in industrialisation alone !. Sadly that part is lost on most Pakistanis. What people fail to understand that they were the churning wheels of the British Empire (producing huge amount of semi finsihed material for the Her Majesty's industry). The Present day Pakistan and Bangladesh were more nothing more than British India's raw material grounds (wheat, cotton, rice and jute).<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Dont blame other for your mistakes. If you are so much disappointed by the history then take singapore and korea as an example and look where they stood when we got independant and you'd have a clear idea of what we have done to ourselves. You are bringing same things again and again now.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Well cheap labour is cheap after all, I guess you have just seconded my point on the sorry state of affairs in the Indian Job Market, so I rest my case there.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">My brother one thing is for sure, we would never get this point straigtened out. As you consider monetory measurements as the benchmark and I dont. Btw China has the cheapest labor in the world and that has became a threat for countries like US. Cheap labor doesnt mean less competent. I guess I'd be happy to start of with low wages and earn my self why what I demand would be paid to me in a few years rather feeling ashamed of joine as a 'cheap labor'.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Agree with you on one Indian in the firm down, and all... do you think that is fair at all ? I mean being proud of your country is one thing, helping out your country men is another thing but balatant discrimination against a more abler candidate just because he is not of your country is nothing to be proud about, lest follow it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
)Pakistanis (at least not all) dont avoid this behaviour becuase of the ethical dimensions attached to the case. And I've seen examples of leg pulling by the Pakistanis, let not bring that here now as we would deviate further.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Agreed, you will find Pakistanis not hiring Pakistanis, because like you most of them are ashamed and run the dogma ''A Pakistani will just be a two timer conner, so I am better off hiring an Indian Maloo''.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
) you sure do know alot about the Pakistani employers. But I had some of the teachers who have thier businesses in UAE and they said with passion and brotherly love we hire Pakistani and they start playing tricks and somehow our business start to lose. Evenutally they have as unspoken policies that they would no longer hire any Pakistanis. You cant deny my nation is one of the most dishonest nation in the world.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 You know we are the only people in the world who some how (over my understanding though) make fun of ourselves and demean ourselves by calling all that is worst among us. Like wise, too many people think they are ashamed to be a Pakistani, need I say more.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">This has been disscussed earlier and I've written earlier that this is not the only nations which has dissatisfied people. If you feel that we are the only nation to talk ill of our selves you should write that this is your personal opinion. Dont write is as a fact like "you know we are the only people in the world....".
Supperpwers like US has people like Noam Chomsky. I dont understand why we have to go over things again and again? This link may help you meet some more people who criticise thier nations. Have fun while reading http//www.chomsky.info/

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 My Friend Caliphate is an Utopia,. but lets not get into that anymore... Lets work for some thing closer to reality a Just Pakistan, a better Pakistan !<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">My friend I'd prefer to work for the true solution rather than sit and admire the non filthy part of me. And my friend Caliphate would come one day.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Yes we have those things to be ashamed of, we need to work for a Just Pakistan ! but there is no reason to be ashamed !<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">You have just written a paradoxical statement. You seen to be confused in taking sides. First you say 'we have those things to be ashamed of' in simple words we should be ashamed of these things and in the second part of your sentence you say '.... but there is no reason to be ashamed'. I've lost touch debating with you, as you say we have a reason to do something and then you say we should not do that.
My point in all the debate has been that we have a reson to be ashamed of ourself and you ahve just said the same thing. I seriously dont thing any thing left in this debate.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Yes we do, unfortunately you do not appreciate the wealth that the people are, don't let a few rotten apples con you into thinking the whole bunch is rotten.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">same thing again, its the different level of satisfaction, you are happy with a few rotten apples but I'm not. i want the whole bunch to be clean.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Yeah Afro may be politically incorrect, but many Afros refer to themselves as Black, so did I. However, if I have offended any one I do appologise.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I have lived with the africans, I still have african friends and amoung themselves they call each other niger. But i anyone else calls them that they get offeneded. Secondly 'many' may refer to themselves as a perticular word but not "all" of them have this attitude. Why should we leave the few?

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 On two yes, he was proud to be an African ! he was not ashamed of what he was/is.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Asif Ali Zardari is not ashamed of what he is. I think we should use his as an example, after all he is our national brother who has been jailed for almost a decade.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 I guess we just see it differently<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">We sure do. The only difference is that you say we have reasons to be ashamed of ourselves but we should be ashamed of our selves.
i say we have a reason to be ashmed of ourselves, we should be ashamed of ourselves and we should work harder to move ourselves out of this sorry state.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Proud to be a Pakistani, nothing in perception, just Proud to be a Pakistani<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> ), this may leed to another debat so I'd say nothing.