03-29-2007, 10:59 PM
Dear Pracs,
I appreciate the issues you highlighted like Haqooq-ul-Ebad, Pollution etc.
Infact we are a long way behind the nations to which we want to compete on the ground that we are muslims. I wonder how could we be competing them, if we are still fighting with each other and using un-acceptable language just for proving our own idealogies. For a muslim the first thing is Holy Quran. Our greatest holy books has given extreme emphasis on the matters of common welfare. God always made us to have a good social structure where each person should develope a tolernace level for other muslims as well as other humans.
The recent incident of Islamabad regarding the female students of Jamia Hafsa is out of my apprehension and understanding. The latest hot topic of Pakistan was the approval of a law relating to the rights of women. As per this law police cannot enter anybody's home or boundry to detect any act of ZANA or prostitution unless the same has been ordered by the court. However, the prevention of ludeness is under the jurisdiction of police on public places.
The students of Jamia Hafsa Islamabad, forcibly entered a home and kidnapped some females allegedly being involved in prostitution and took them to their Jamia. Some police men were also kidnaped. My goshhhhhhh !!!!!!!!
How can one allege the other like this without any proof, without any court intervention, without any lawful reason and without the involvement of law enforcement agencies. Does it not constitute a KIDNAPPING CASE against the involved students. How can one defeat the legal provisions. Here the question is not about the accuracy of any law. Rather it is about the breach of laws prevlant in our society by some Maulvies. Who gave this legal power to the female studnets of Jamia Hafsa. Who allowed to take the law in hands by the indviduals.
No answer. Hadees is quoted by Maulvees that for being on first grade of faith, one has to prevent an eveil first of all by hands, then comes the level of faith where you try to prevent it by words and the last stage of faith is where you feel it bad in your hearts. I agree to this Hadees.
But every society has its own laws and norms and ways to execute various things. By going to a court and filing writt petition againt such prostitutes and asking for an order to police for taking an action is the law of our country. By doing this, I think the stipulation of having first grade faith can be met.
Where any Hadees has required a muslim to breach the laws of society which have been promulgated by muslim emporers?
If in some one's opinion, a government or emporers are not islamic or muslim, it is his/her own opinion and cannot affect the laws enforced. If some law is not as per Islam, we have to debate on it and then design it to cater the needs of a muslim society. But in no way we can take action against it in our sole position.
I cannot understand until now that how one person describes his ownself as AALIM OR ULEMAA. It is out of my apprhension. If to any such Aalim, i dont accept as aalim, then what prevents me from thinking so. Is there any law that any prticular man is AALIM. Is there any general rule for calling anybody AALIM. For example, If one dont accept the managment of JAMIA HAFSA as AALIMS, then what will happen.
Is it a taboo of our society? Why we are so much afraid of MAULVIES?
I am not talking about real noble and religious people who dont earn their livelihods from religious activities and who dont use the name of religion for their own purposes.
Our fear as a nation (of MAULVIES) have made so much as TABOO of our society. We cant speak against them with fear of being called as a non-muslim as my brother PRACS heared some days ago in a post. It is ridiculous. It is the dirtiest face of our nation.
No body has talked against JAMIA HAFSA's acts. How they dare to create their own government within the state of Pakistan.
As per Islam one cannot allege the other without a lawful proof. For poving prostitution or Zana, Sharia requires 4 witnesses who have seen with their eyes the actual act being done. From actual, I mean ACTUAL act with all of its pros and cons. Just the witness that I saw so many men going to her home is not a witness. Just saying that the repo of such females was not good is not a WITNESS. Just saying that all the street fellows have doubt over the women is not a witness. I am not talking about Pkistani laws. Rather, this is what sharia has laid down as a rule.
And yes, as per Sharia, where such an allegation remains unprooved, the person who alleged the other should be proceeded against under QAZAF LAW. This law suggets same punishment for the person allegating the others that were sugested for the ZANIES/prostitutes.
I am not supporting any dirty or illmannered act in my country. I am only condemning/critising the guy who call them ULEMAAS an hve taken laws in their own hands.
And I am ashamed of the rulers, whose representative, Interior Secretary, was last night saying on ARY news that it is the fault of police and we will take action against them. I dont support the police. But we should not leave senses while closing the chapters. The government official should have been in the knowledge of the law that police itself cannot cross boundries of any body's home and cannot do anything unless Court orders, under new law of women rights.
The government official did not speak a word aginst the unlawful act of the students of JAMIA HAFSA. I also saw on TV some guys of this JAMIA who were armed with big sticks and who were covering their faces with cloth. Is this Palestine? Are we fighting against Israel? What does mean by showing this all stunt? Are such guys the rebels? Then why not they punished with life sentence, that is the law of Pakistan against the rebels. No body has given orders to capture such people and give them punishment for imposing baseless allegations without 4 eye witnesses of ACTUAL ACT OF ZANA. This attracts the punishment for defaming a person. No body will raise case against them for kidnapping the citizens of Pakistan (incluing police men) as they are not allowed to do this, whatever has happened or has not happened.
I feel shame for my government and its officials as well as law enforcement agencies.
Are we living in a jungle, where some so-called ULEMAAs can do anything and no body will ask them about their acts?
Is it a society or a jungle?
This remains unanswered.
I sometimes feel ashamed for being a part of such an illmannered sociey.
Forgive me please, if any one finds my words harsh or bad or whatever, but my heart is in pain since last night. Not for the allegedly kidnapped women; but for the acts of our o-called ulemaas and the sleep of our government and law enforcers.
We should respect each other and should develope tolerence. How can we invite non muslim countries to Islam, if we are doing this all. What would be our attitude at such countries, if we are given a chance to preach them. Would we be kidnaping women and policemen for their similar acts. What we are painting about ourselves. Why we are breaking laws.
If it is a Hadees to prevent the evil by hands for having a first grade faith (which I also believe is a hadees)and if we have to follow this hadees illogically as JAMIA HAFSA did, then why these so-called ULEMAAs are not preventing the similar evils at other places and countries. Where such evils are prevalent. Answer will come that other countries are not our society and we dont see acts being done there. I then reply that where this hadees said that do this all only in your country and leave all others doing whatever evil they want. Where this hadees relieved us from doing so. And yes, we know whatever is happening in other nations and countries. Every one knows. We even visit those countries. So, can these maulvies do the similar act in other countries. Reply is NO. And if thy will do, they will be hangged/punished. Why, because it is a breach of law. Then is it not a breach of law in Pakistan??????????????????????????????? These all people are doing fradulent acts with the nation and muslims and are SADDAM HUSSAIN of their own nature an kind.
Islam is a the most loving reliion. It is a complete code of life. It suggests the best ways to behave and tolerate. It is the religion of peace, love, affection, legality, morale, and forgiveness.
I dont find any other religion even comparable to Islam. For that I dont only believe in ISLAM. Rather, I love ISLAM and its rules.
May God we all can do the best to justify ourelves as muslims.
Forgive me if you find this post wrong.
These are my personal views.
Best regards,
Kamran.
I appreciate the issues you highlighted like Haqooq-ul-Ebad, Pollution etc.
Infact we are a long way behind the nations to which we want to compete on the ground that we are muslims. I wonder how could we be competing them, if we are still fighting with each other and using un-acceptable language just for proving our own idealogies. For a muslim the first thing is Holy Quran. Our greatest holy books has given extreme emphasis on the matters of common welfare. God always made us to have a good social structure where each person should develope a tolernace level for other muslims as well as other humans.
The recent incident of Islamabad regarding the female students of Jamia Hafsa is out of my apprehension and understanding. The latest hot topic of Pakistan was the approval of a law relating to the rights of women. As per this law police cannot enter anybody's home or boundry to detect any act of ZANA or prostitution unless the same has been ordered by the court. However, the prevention of ludeness is under the jurisdiction of police on public places.
The students of Jamia Hafsa Islamabad, forcibly entered a home and kidnapped some females allegedly being involved in prostitution and took them to their Jamia. Some police men were also kidnaped. My goshhhhhhh !!!!!!!!
How can one allege the other like this without any proof, without any court intervention, without any lawful reason and without the involvement of law enforcement agencies. Does it not constitute a KIDNAPPING CASE against the involved students. How can one defeat the legal provisions. Here the question is not about the accuracy of any law. Rather it is about the breach of laws prevlant in our society by some Maulvies. Who gave this legal power to the female studnets of Jamia Hafsa. Who allowed to take the law in hands by the indviduals.
No answer. Hadees is quoted by Maulvees that for being on first grade of faith, one has to prevent an eveil first of all by hands, then comes the level of faith where you try to prevent it by words and the last stage of faith is where you feel it bad in your hearts. I agree to this Hadees.
But every society has its own laws and norms and ways to execute various things. By going to a court and filing writt petition againt such prostitutes and asking for an order to police for taking an action is the law of our country. By doing this, I think the stipulation of having first grade faith can be met.
Where any Hadees has required a muslim to breach the laws of society which have been promulgated by muslim emporers?
If in some one's opinion, a government or emporers are not islamic or muslim, it is his/her own opinion and cannot affect the laws enforced. If some law is not as per Islam, we have to debate on it and then design it to cater the needs of a muslim society. But in no way we can take action against it in our sole position.
I cannot understand until now that how one person describes his ownself as AALIM OR ULEMAA. It is out of my apprhension. If to any such Aalim, i dont accept as aalim, then what prevents me from thinking so. Is there any law that any prticular man is AALIM. Is there any general rule for calling anybody AALIM. For example, If one dont accept the managment of JAMIA HAFSA as AALIMS, then what will happen.
Is it a taboo of our society? Why we are so much afraid of MAULVIES?
I am not talking about real noble and religious people who dont earn their livelihods from religious activities and who dont use the name of religion for their own purposes.
Our fear as a nation (of MAULVIES) have made so much as TABOO of our society. We cant speak against them with fear of being called as a non-muslim as my brother PRACS heared some days ago in a post. It is ridiculous. It is the dirtiest face of our nation.
No body has talked against JAMIA HAFSA's acts. How they dare to create their own government within the state of Pakistan.
As per Islam one cannot allege the other without a lawful proof. For poving prostitution or Zana, Sharia requires 4 witnesses who have seen with their eyes the actual act being done. From actual, I mean ACTUAL act with all of its pros and cons. Just the witness that I saw so many men going to her home is not a witness. Just saying that the repo of such females was not good is not a WITNESS. Just saying that all the street fellows have doubt over the women is not a witness. I am not talking about Pkistani laws. Rather, this is what sharia has laid down as a rule.
And yes, as per Sharia, where such an allegation remains unprooved, the person who alleged the other should be proceeded against under QAZAF LAW. This law suggets same punishment for the person allegating the others that were sugested for the ZANIES/prostitutes.
I am not supporting any dirty or illmannered act in my country. I am only condemning/critising the guy who call them ULEMAAS an hve taken laws in their own hands.
And I am ashamed of the rulers, whose representative, Interior Secretary, was last night saying on ARY news that it is the fault of police and we will take action against them. I dont support the police. But we should not leave senses while closing the chapters. The government official should have been in the knowledge of the law that police itself cannot cross boundries of any body's home and cannot do anything unless Court orders, under new law of women rights.
The government official did not speak a word aginst the unlawful act of the students of JAMIA HAFSA. I also saw on TV some guys of this JAMIA who were armed with big sticks and who were covering their faces with cloth. Is this Palestine? Are we fighting against Israel? What does mean by showing this all stunt? Are such guys the rebels? Then why not they punished with life sentence, that is the law of Pakistan against the rebels. No body has given orders to capture such people and give them punishment for imposing baseless allegations without 4 eye witnesses of ACTUAL ACT OF ZANA. This attracts the punishment for defaming a person. No body will raise case against them for kidnapping the citizens of Pakistan (incluing police men) as they are not allowed to do this, whatever has happened or has not happened.
I feel shame for my government and its officials as well as law enforcement agencies.
Are we living in a jungle, where some so-called ULEMAAs can do anything and no body will ask them about their acts?
Is it a society or a jungle?
This remains unanswered.
I sometimes feel ashamed for being a part of such an illmannered sociey.
Forgive me please, if any one finds my words harsh or bad or whatever, but my heart is in pain since last night. Not for the allegedly kidnapped women; but for the acts of our o-called ulemaas and the sleep of our government and law enforcers.
We should respect each other and should develope tolerence. How can we invite non muslim countries to Islam, if we are doing this all. What would be our attitude at such countries, if we are given a chance to preach them. Would we be kidnaping women and policemen for their similar acts. What we are painting about ourselves. Why we are breaking laws.
If it is a Hadees to prevent the evil by hands for having a first grade faith (which I also believe is a hadees)and if we have to follow this hadees illogically as JAMIA HAFSA did, then why these so-called ULEMAAs are not preventing the similar evils at other places and countries. Where such evils are prevalent. Answer will come that other countries are not our society and we dont see acts being done there. I then reply that where this hadees said that do this all only in your country and leave all others doing whatever evil they want. Where this hadees relieved us from doing so. And yes, we know whatever is happening in other nations and countries. Every one knows. We even visit those countries. So, can these maulvies do the similar act in other countries. Reply is NO. And if thy will do, they will be hangged/punished. Why, because it is a breach of law. Then is it not a breach of law in Pakistan??????????????????????????????? These all people are doing fradulent acts with the nation and muslims and are SADDAM HUSSAIN of their own nature an kind.
Islam is a the most loving reliion. It is a complete code of life. It suggests the best ways to behave and tolerate. It is the religion of peace, love, affection, legality, morale, and forgiveness.
I dont find any other religion even comparable to Islam. For that I dont only believe in ISLAM. Rather, I love ISLAM and its rules.
May God we all can do the best to justify ourelves as muslims.
Forgive me if you find this post wrong.
These are my personal views.
Best regards,
Kamran.
