04-05-2007, 07:25 PM
Dear Mr. Amir,
Thank you for your reply.
From maulvi, I so many times pointed out that, I dont quote the noble men of ALLAH who are really scholars, who are certified from Islamic Universities of Madina Munawara, Jamia-tul-azhar or from Other Islamic universities or quality institutions.
I refer, from the word MAULVI, the people who failed to do naything in their lives and opt the religion to earn the bread and butter.
You know the Holy Quran has cursed the guys who sell the holy verses against few coins (money). For a moment, who would be the guys selling the holy verses?????? The non-muslims???? In my view "NO". Because non-muslims normally dont know these verses. Further, no body will buy these verses from non muslims. I personally conclude that selling of holy verses is meant for muslims.
Secondly, what does mean by selling and buying the verses. Is it mean for publishing the Holy Books and selling them in the market for the general benefit of muslims. In my view, again "NO" it does not mean for publishers.
Then what does it mean. Yes, I can tell you what I feel. The guys who use the religion and these holy verses to make their livelihoods are meant by the Holy Quran. Have you ever seen in any village of Pakistan some MAULVI who recites the Holy Quran whole the night on a speaker and asks money from the village fellows for the KHIDMAT of MAULVI sahib. I have so many times seen them. If you deny, then we are living in fools paradise. Have you ever seen the so called ULEMAAs giving TAWEEZ GANDDAs etc (I dont mean the AAMALs, I personally saw so many so-called maulvies and aalims doing this) for money. Have u ever seen students of various DARSes (madrissa) begging for money from home to home. Yes I have seen so many times. They normally carry some Sparas of Holy Quran or other religious material and beg from the public. They are not the legal publishers, you know. They just beg. I saw them taking money even from those people who dont take the religious material from them. In most cases, this happens.
Now coming to big "ULEMAAs". Every big aalim has a jamaat or group. Every such jamaat is taking so much subscriptions and chandaas. Is this not happening in fiduciary capacity. Off course yes. Have you ever seen any such big jamaat getting its accounts audited by some reasonable firmof professional accountants? Have you ever got access to their published accounts? Never. Yes, off course never. Where all that public monies go. Who knows? No body bothers. And, these so called ULEMAAs are living in big bungalows. They are using big cars and jeeps. They have so many gun-men/body gaurds. From whom they are afraid of? Why they feel they are the best imposers of law. Who allowed them. All are just making monies. The Holy Book has cursed those who make mony using the name of Islam.
I know whatever u said and I understand your point of view. U r in fact not wrong so far as u support real noble people. U just fail to understand that about whom I am talking about.
Yes, now reply to your question
If such female would have been living in my street. How would I come to know what she is doing in side her home. Can I poke my nose in her home affairs? Does ISlam allows me. NO, certainly not. And yes, if her activities apparently tell me that what she is doing, then I should talk to other street fellows, we should talk to her family gently (it is allowed by islam in a good islamic society) then we have the option of police (if it is within its power) and then we have the option of courts. No one can say that courts do not take action against such people. No body can say it. I am from the family of advocates. My father and one elder brother are advocates and my chaachoo is bar at law. I know courts take action. You can see it. Even courts take action against governmennts irrespective of whatever our culture is. I refer the recent case of Pakistan Steel Mills where Court decided against the Government. I was somehow personally involved in this privatization deal and I know court is correct. I cant disclose more than it. In history it happened so many times. Justice Naseem Hassan Shah decided against the government in case of Nawaz Shareef.
One also has option of going to even Saharia Courts, where he can ask remedy to his problems. At the end , one has a best weapon i.e. media. One can use media against such people. Now a days GEO is running behind every one. Jamia could have gone to media.
There were 1000 options. But taking the law in hands was not an option. It is only rigidity of maulvies. Nothing else.
And finally in my case,if still courts also dont take action against her. Then I must be wrong and she must be right. At least apparently. In such case I should keep my path correct and avoid to think about such female and her family and strictly ask my family members and known fellows to avoid them.
This is what a lawful society requires.
I again say, by no means any one has to take the law in hands.
I place on record that from MAULVIES again I dont mean the noble men of ALLAH. You get outragious from the word MAULVI. Plz believe in Islam and live with Islam. Dont believe in MAULVIES and dont live in MAULVIES. Maulvies are not WALIALLAHs (talking about general category), they are not Imams. They normally make their livelihoods by using name of Islam. Did it happen in the era of Prophet PBUH? No, it never happened. Was it allowed during Khilafat-e-Rashida? No, it was not allowed. Eevery one was doing his business (Tijaarat or whatever) and religion was a religion. It was not the basis of earnings. In this case you cant quote those AALIMS who are government employees (as was practized in the era of Hazrat Umer Bin Khattaab Raziallah) and who take a stipend for the whole life services. They dont make big bungalows and BMWs from their stipends.
Mr. Amir, This is just one picture of MAULVIES which make me to talk this way about them. There are so many other faces and pictures which we can discuss.
For your knowledge I also point out that no one can legally use the words ACA with his name unless he is actually an ACA. Keep it in your record and mind.
Best regards,
Kamran.
Thank you for your reply.
From maulvi, I so many times pointed out that, I dont quote the noble men of ALLAH who are really scholars, who are certified from Islamic Universities of Madina Munawara, Jamia-tul-azhar or from Other Islamic universities or quality institutions.
I refer, from the word MAULVI, the people who failed to do naything in their lives and opt the religion to earn the bread and butter.
You know the Holy Quran has cursed the guys who sell the holy verses against few coins (money). For a moment, who would be the guys selling the holy verses?????? The non-muslims???? In my view "NO". Because non-muslims normally dont know these verses. Further, no body will buy these verses from non muslims. I personally conclude that selling of holy verses is meant for muslims.
Secondly, what does mean by selling and buying the verses. Is it mean for publishing the Holy Books and selling them in the market for the general benefit of muslims. In my view, again "NO" it does not mean for publishers.
Then what does it mean. Yes, I can tell you what I feel. The guys who use the religion and these holy verses to make their livelihoods are meant by the Holy Quran. Have you ever seen in any village of Pakistan some MAULVI who recites the Holy Quran whole the night on a speaker and asks money from the village fellows for the KHIDMAT of MAULVI sahib. I have so many times seen them. If you deny, then we are living in fools paradise. Have you ever seen the so called ULEMAAs giving TAWEEZ GANDDAs etc (I dont mean the AAMALs, I personally saw so many so-called maulvies and aalims doing this) for money. Have u ever seen students of various DARSes (madrissa) begging for money from home to home. Yes I have seen so many times. They normally carry some Sparas of Holy Quran or other religious material and beg from the public. They are not the legal publishers, you know. They just beg. I saw them taking money even from those people who dont take the religious material from them. In most cases, this happens.
Now coming to big "ULEMAAs". Every big aalim has a jamaat or group. Every such jamaat is taking so much subscriptions and chandaas. Is this not happening in fiduciary capacity. Off course yes. Have you ever seen any such big jamaat getting its accounts audited by some reasonable firmof professional accountants? Have you ever got access to their published accounts? Never. Yes, off course never. Where all that public monies go. Who knows? No body bothers. And, these so called ULEMAAs are living in big bungalows. They are using big cars and jeeps. They have so many gun-men/body gaurds. From whom they are afraid of? Why they feel they are the best imposers of law. Who allowed them. All are just making monies. The Holy Book has cursed those who make mony using the name of Islam.
I know whatever u said and I understand your point of view. U r in fact not wrong so far as u support real noble people. U just fail to understand that about whom I am talking about.
Yes, now reply to your question
If such female would have been living in my street. How would I come to know what she is doing in side her home. Can I poke my nose in her home affairs? Does ISlam allows me. NO, certainly not. And yes, if her activities apparently tell me that what she is doing, then I should talk to other street fellows, we should talk to her family gently (it is allowed by islam in a good islamic society) then we have the option of police (if it is within its power) and then we have the option of courts. No one can say that courts do not take action against such people. No body can say it. I am from the family of advocates. My father and one elder brother are advocates and my chaachoo is bar at law. I know courts take action. You can see it. Even courts take action against governmennts irrespective of whatever our culture is. I refer the recent case of Pakistan Steel Mills where Court decided against the Government. I was somehow personally involved in this privatization deal and I know court is correct. I cant disclose more than it. In history it happened so many times. Justice Naseem Hassan Shah decided against the government in case of Nawaz Shareef.
One also has option of going to even Saharia Courts, where he can ask remedy to his problems. At the end , one has a best weapon i.e. media. One can use media against such people. Now a days GEO is running behind every one. Jamia could have gone to media.
There were 1000 options. But taking the law in hands was not an option. It is only rigidity of maulvies. Nothing else.
And finally in my case,if still courts also dont take action against her. Then I must be wrong and she must be right. At least apparently. In such case I should keep my path correct and avoid to think about such female and her family and strictly ask my family members and known fellows to avoid them.
This is what a lawful society requires.
I again say, by no means any one has to take the law in hands.
I place on record that from MAULVIES again I dont mean the noble men of ALLAH. You get outragious from the word MAULVI. Plz believe in Islam and live with Islam. Dont believe in MAULVIES and dont live in MAULVIES. Maulvies are not WALIALLAHs (talking about general category), they are not Imams. They normally make their livelihoods by using name of Islam. Did it happen in the era of Prophet PBUH? No, it never happened. Was it allowed during Khilafat-e-Rashida? No, it was not allowed. Eevery one was doing his business (Tijaarat or whatever) and religion was a religion. It was not the basis of earnings. In this case you cant quote those AALIMS who are government employees (as was practized in the era of Hazrat Umer Bin Khattaab Raziallah) and who take a stipend for the whole life services. They dont make big bungalows and BMWs from their stipends.
Mr. Amir, This is just one picture of MAULVIES which make me to talk this way about them. There are so many other faces and pictures which we can discuss.
For your knowledge I also point out that no one can legally use the words ACA with his name unless he is actually an ACA. Keep it in your record and mind.
Best regards,
Kamran.
