05-03-2007, 12:26 AM
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<br />My dear chartered accountants and those in the making, I am not a chartered accountant, I am a businessman in fact. However I have friends in your profession and some acquaintences who are still slogging there. what I have observed I am sharing.
These firms, (and they have the balls to call themselves professional), treat their people literally like slaves... read again SLAVES. People work like donkeys most part of the year coming late, not giving two hoots to their family. To them, there is no such thing as home, family, wife and kids.
They have to get married to the firm and practically live their for most part. What kind of lousy culture is this? where in the world people in a professional firm go to work at 10 am or later and sit there till late at night sometimes even for whole night when the work hours are 9-5 or 9-530? This is a big joke and mockery.
Then there is this particular firm and I am absolutely amused! It is considered as one of the biggest in the field. The cruelest joke is that one of the senior partners in the firm has actually written book on time management and proudly gives lectures here and there on time management whereas in that very so called professional firm people are working like donkeys. Its like the partners or management operate these as prisons.
In the same firm, i heard that senior partners, including Mr. Time Management, have strong religious bend.... what a lie and what a mockery. Does Islam ask men to forget their family and work for 18-20 hours a day for most part of the year? Does Islam allow that people just dont give damn to what their family goes through without them?
Its pathetic and one feels like spitting on this culture which is rampant in these firms. My appeal to all not to join this profession and not work in firms which operate like prisons and treat staff as slaves.
I also pity those boys who take pride in working for these disgusting firms thus forgetting their parents, their home, their family life altogether. If one is working till late at night, obviously then there will neither be time nor energy for family. This is against the teachings of Islam and I am amazed people who profess to be Islamic minded actually indulge in such practices.
This is mockery of professionalism and such firms are a blotch on the word professional.
Bricks
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<font size="2">One more thing.
It so happens that I have had the pleasure of doing my articleship from the same firm (Sidat Hyder) and I would like to share my experience and observation(s) with you all.
1. The firm's senior-most partners' attitude towards late sitting was a negative one, in general. However, in rare circumstances, beyond our control, the team members had to do a bit of late sittings sometimes, in order to meet targets.
2. Targets were set at the beginning of each assignment. We used to have an Audit Planning Document with key tentative dates. It used to be the responsibility of the Job Incharges, who were audit trainees themselves (and not the partners or senior managers) to set targets. This shows that late sittings thus were mainly due to delays on part of the audit trainees themselves.
3. The four years training is meant to groom trainees into professionals. To teach them how to manage excessive levels of work within a specific time frame in a systematic and organized manner. Mr. Time Management (as you refer to him) used to teach us how to do the same level of work but within lesser period of time. Ofcourse we could not be moulded into thorough-bred professionals right from day one.
I'll try to explain this by giving you my example. The highest level of late sittings which I had to do was during my first and half year of articleship. During the next year, I was home mostly by 6.00-6.30pm. While during the last few months of my articleship, I was mostly home by 6pm. This does not mean that there were zero late sitting. There were indeed, but on rare occasions. This also does not mean that I was doing lesser quantity of work during those days. On the contrary, more work was being handled by me at multiple clients, but due to effective time management techniques learnt during the first few years, I was able to increase my productivity levels.
Think of it this way. Have you seen Sunahray Din ? Two years' of rigorous training at Kakul, away from your parents and family, produces a fine product in the form of a disciplined and well-trained Pakistani Army Jawan.
Likewise, four years of systematic training, produces a groomed professional, capable of absorbing pressure, without mentally breaking down and able to meet deadlines without over exerting himself/herself.
4. We all are humans and hence, by our very nature, imperfect. There will always be a few seniors in every firm who love late sittings. Maybe, they have some family issues, maybe something else. But it is upto the trainee to take the stand and not let late-sittings be imposed on him / her unnecessarily. The trainee needs to communicate in a clear manner that he / she cannot do late sittings continuously. I've had all kinds of seniors, managers, senior managers and partners with whom I worked during my articleship and trust me, it was an experience that I cherish to this very day. I learnt from each and every single person with whom I had the opportunity of working. Even from the computer operators to the senior most partners. Mostly, I learnt from them things that needed to be done to be successful in life. And from some, I learnt things that should not be done.
5. Speaking of 'religious-bend', 'lies', 'hypocrisy' - I think that the firm which your'e referring to is one of the better firms in the profession. I feel that generalizing, accusing someone and slandering him in public based on mere heresay is stupidity. And like the saying goes - foolishness is curable, but stupidity is immortal.
6. Today, based on the training provided to me by the people of this very institution (Sidat Hyder), I am able to manage a couple of businesses in a manner which allows me to be home by 5 pm. Yes, five in the evening. I work from 9-4, while my employees (now around 30) have strict instructions to leave the office by 5pm. Any late sitting s beyond 6pm must be reported to me in writing with explanation.
MORAL OF THE ABOVE LINES
Nobody can force anyone to become a donkey (or work like one) unless he/she shows such capacity and the willingness....AND.... no one can cure a donkey who goes on slandering others in public based on mere heresay.
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<br />My dear chartered accountants and those in the making, I am not a chartered accountant, I am a businessman in fact. However I have friends in your profession and some acquaintences who are still slogging there. what I have observed I am sharing.
These firms, (and they have the balls to call themselves professional), treat their people literally like slaves... read again SLAVES. People work like donkeys most part of the year coming late, not giving two hoots to their family. To them, there is no such thing as home, family, wife and kids.
They have to get married to the firm and practically live their for most part. What kind of lousy culture is this? where in the world people in a professional firm go to work at 10 am or later and sit there till late at night sometimes even for whole night when the work hours are 9-5 or 9-530? This is a big joke and mockery.
Then there is this particular firm and I am absolutely amused! It is considered as one of the biggest in the field. The cruelest joke is that one of the senior partners in the firm has actually written book on time management and proudly gives lectures here and there on time management whereas in that very so called professional firm people are working like donkeys. Its like the partners or management operate these as prisons.
In the same firm, i heard that senior partners, including Mr. Time Management, have strong religious bend.... what a lie and what a mockery. Does Islam ask men to forget their family and work for 18-20 hours a day for most part of the year? Does Islam allow that people just dont give damn to what their family goes through without them?
Its pathetic and one feels like spitting on this culture which is rampant in these firms. My appeal to all not to join this profession and not work in firms which operate like prisons and treat staff as slaves.
I also pity those boys who take pride in working for these disgusting firms thus forgetting their parents, their home, their family life altogether. If one is working till late at night, obviously then there will neither be time nor energy for family. This is against the teachings of Islam and I am amazed people who profess to be Islamic minded actually indulge in such practices.
This is mockery of professionalism and such firms are a blotch on the word professional.
Bricks
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<font size="2">One more thing.
It so happens that I have had the pleasure of doing my articleship from the same firm (Sidat Hyder) and I would like to share my experience and observation(s) with you all.
1. The firm's senior-most partners' attitude towards late sitting was a negative one, in general. However, in rare circumstances, beyond our control, the team members had to do a bit of late sittings sometimes, in order to meet targets.
2. Targets were set at the beginning of each assignment. We used to have an Audit Planning Document with key tentative dates. It used to be the responsibility of the Job Incharges, who were audit trainees themselves (and not the partners or senior managers) to set targets. This shows that late sittings thus were mainly due to delays on part of the audit trainees themselves.
3. The four years training is meant to groom trainees into professionals. To teach them how to manage excessive levels of work within a specific time frame in a systematic and organized manner. Mr. Time Management (as you refer to him) used to teach us how to do the same level of work but within lesser period of time. Ofcourse we could not be moulded into thorough-bred professionals right from day one.
I'll try to explain this by giving you my example. The highest level of late sittings which I had to do was during my first and half year of articleship. During the next year, I was home mostly by 6.00-6.30pm. While during the last few months of my articleship, I was mostly home by 6pm. This does not mean that there were zero late sitting. There were indeed, but on rare occasions. This also does not mean that I was doing lesser quantity of work during those days. On the contrary, more work was being handled by me at multiple clients, but due to effective time management techniques learnt during the first few years, I was able to increase my productivity levels.
Think of it this way. Have you seen Sunahray Din ? Two years' of rigorous training at Kakul, away from your parents and family, produces a fine product in the form of a disciplined and well-trained Pakistani Army Jawan.
Likewise, four years of systematic training, produces a groomed professional, capable of absorbing pressure, without mentally breaking down and able to meet deadlines without over exerting himself/herself.
4. We all are humans and hence, by our very nature, imperfect. There will always be a few seniors in every firm who love late sittings. Maybe, they have some family issues, maybe something else. But it is upto the trainee to take the stand and not let late-sittings be imposed on him / her unnecessarily. The trainee needs to communicate in a clear manner that he / she cannot do late sittings continuously. I've had all kinds of seniors, managers, senior managers and partners with whom I worked during my articleship and trust me, it was an experience that I cherish to this very day. I learnt from each and every single person with whom I had the opportunity of working. Even from the computer operators to the senior most partners. Mostly, I learnt from them things that needed to be done to be successful in life. And from some, I learnt things that should not be done.
5. Speaking of 'religious-bend', 'lies', 'hypocrisy' - I think that the firm which your'e referring to is one of the better firms in the profession. I feel that generalizing, accusing someone and slandering him in public based on mere heresay is stupidity. And like the saying goes - foolishness is curable, but stupidity is immortal.
6. Today, based on the training provided to me by the people of this very institution (Sidat Hyder), I am able to manage a couple of businesses in a manner which allows me to be home by 5 pm. Yes, five in the evening. I work from 9-4, while my employees (now around 30) have strict instructions to leave the office by 5pm. Any late sitting s beyond 6pm must be reported to me in writing with explanation.
MORAL OF THE ABOVE LINES
Nobody can force anyone to become a donkey (or work like one) unless he/she shows such capacity and the willingness....AND.... no one can cure a donkey who goes on slandering others in public based on mere heresay.
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