05-09-2007, 11:29 PM
Dear Amir,
Your so much discussion is based upon "we can do it if.............happens". You critically analyse the current emaan's situation and say that if bala bala things are corrected, we muslims can do this and do that. I agree to you in all these presumptions. Your examples of Syed Ahmed Shaheed, Ghaddars, Farangies, Mir Jaffer/Mir Sadiq etc also touch the heart being based upon historical facts. The example of Ghazwa-e-Baddar is also correct to show the difference in balance of power etc.
The most prominent problem with us is that we think if this ....... will be corrected, we will do this and that. Who will correct our faults. You know how long has gone when we started commiting faults. It starts from the incident of Imam Hussain Raziallah and even before it. What not and what not the kings of muslims have done. Lots of wives, keeps, wines, disputes of getting power and every other bad deed was the part of our emporers' common lives. Even Akbar presented Din-e-Ellahi. What has not gone wrong since ages.
We assume that we can correct this all and we can overcome every loss which has been sustained by the cause of Islam due to these factors. Can you get any of your task done from any government sector official without bribe. It can happen but not in 95% cases. We Pakistani feel that we are the fort of Islam. What not is being happened in this fort of Islam. People (who are muslims) have been convicted of ZANA with dead bodies in graveyards in this fort of Islam. Will this have a minor impact on us as a nation. I dont find a reason to understand that in Pakistan Zana-bil-Raza is lesser than any european country. Every city I mean every city is full of red light areas (not commonly categorized as such)and *****s. NWFP has become an evident of Males wedding with a Male. What more should happen to declare us a destroyed nation. Wadairas do the act of ZANA BIL JABBAR with poor female like Mukhtaaraan Maai and government also threats her not to disclose these things to international media and agencies. How cheap is it. None of the accused have so far been sentenced. How much murders we daily read in newspapers. Is it allowed in Islam. No. yes again this is happening in this fort of islam. Government is involved in killing of its opponents and no body in the world can ask them why they do so. Examples of Bhutto, Bugti, Hakeem Saeed, and many more could be found out. This is the biggest wickedness of governments. These all were out of court decisions of so called governments. Sometimes courts were used as rubber stamp. All institutions including but not limited to police, courts, taxation, wapda, kesc, social security, revenue departments etc are taking huge bribes. Now politicians like Shujaat and Pervaiz Ellahi have asked such departments to make them daily basis payments of millions from such bribes as their share. It is really happening. We lie so much for our benefits or purposes.
This all and much much more is happening in Fort of Islam.
I agree that this might also be happening in advanced countries but happening such stuff in islamic country is strange. I dont feel that governments can or should control it. I dont feel that Ulemaas take Danddaas in their hands becoz it will again be a breach of law and they wud also be subject to trials. I understand that this will be changed only and only when we all would like to change our ownselves. Every one who is taking bribes is from us. They are our brothers and sons.
So, I feel that so much has to be changed and it cannot be done over night.
It is not so simple that if we do this.............we will be able to do this.
I respect Mr. Muneeb but I dont like him.
I appreciate your interest and your passion for islam. But dear it has never been a wise act to fall into suicidal wars.
I know what happened in Ghazwa-e-Badar. I dont know what you have belief but I read that Sahabas saw men in green DASTAARS who were fighting against Kuffaar and were not from those 313 persons. I beleive that such things can happen with Nabi Pak PBUH and Sahabas but not with muslims like us. Further, Ghazwa-e-Badar was an imposed war on muslims. Muslims did not attack Kuffar in Makkah. Rather, Kuffaar attacked muslims in Madina. We should not ignore that in almost all Ghazwas, muslims fought only becoz Kuffaars imposed war on them or it was almost supposed to be imposed in very near future. Therefore Muslims replied. The only war when muslims took initiative was Fatah-e-Makkah and you must know that no war happened in this Fatah and muslims attitude was greatest.
Therefore, every example cannot match our situation.
We need to study the history completely.
The Hadees that muslims will face troubles due to leaving Jehad is apparent. But this is not for leaving Jehad now. It is due to leaving Jehad from ages. Muslims did not prepared arms and amunition like others. We did not made aeroplanes, rockets, atom bombs and other advanced equipments. There is a Hadees in which muslims were advised to keep their amunition and horses always reday. We left doing so since Mughal regime. Others progressed swiftly.
Therefore, we have to work very hard. In almost double pace than others and at least for 50 years. Then we might be able to do something.
Otherwise we should not think to defeat opponents.
Regards,
Kamran.
Your so much discussion is based upon "we can do it if.............happens". You critically analyse the current emaan's situation and say that if bala bala things are corrected, we muslims can do this and do that. I agree to you in all these presumptions. Your examples of Syed Ahmed Shaheed, Ghaddars, Farangies, Mir Jaffer/Mir Sadiq etc also touch the heart being based upon historical facts. The example of Ghazwa-e-Baddar is also correct to show the difference in balance of power etc.
The most prominent problem with us is that we think if this ....... will be corrected, we will do this and that. Who will correct our faults. You know how long has gone when we started commiting faults. It starts from the incident of Imam Hussain Raziallah and even before it. What not and what not the kings of muslims have done. Lots of wives, keeps, wines, disputes of getting power and every other bad deed was the part of our emporers' common lives. Even Akbar presented Din-e-Ellahi. What has not gone wrong since ages.
We assume that we can correct this all and we can overcome every loss which has been sustained by the cause of Islam due to these factors. Can you get any of your task done from any government sector official without bribe. It can happen but not in 95% cases. We Pakistani feel that we are the fort of Islam. What not is being happened in this fort of Islam. People (who are muslims) have been convicted of ZANA with dead bodies in graveyards in this fort of Islam. Will this have a minor impact on us as a nation. I dont find a reason to understand that in Pakistan Zana-bil-Raza is lesser than any european country. Every city I mean every city is full of red light areas (not commonly categorized as such)and *****s. NWFP has become an evident of Males wedding with a Male. What more should happen to declare us a destroyed nation. Wadairas do the act of ZANA BIL JABBAR with poor female like Mukhtaaraan Maai and government also threats her not to disclose these things to international media and agencies. How cheap is it. None of the accused have so far been sentenced. How much murders we daily read in newspapers. Is it allowed in Islam. No. yes again this is happening in this fort of islam. Government is involved in killing of its opponents and no body in the world can ask them why they do so. Examples of Bhutto, Bugti, Hakeem Saeed, and many more could be found out. This is the biggest wickedness of governments. These all were out of court decisions of so called governments. Sometimes courts were used as rubber stamp. All institutions including but not limited to police, courts, taxation, wapda, kesc, social security, revenue departments etc are taking huge bribes. Now politicians like Shujaat and Pervaiz Ellahi have asked such departments to make them daily basis payments of millions from such bribes as their share. It is really happening. We lie so much for our benefits or purposes.
This all and much much more is happening in Fort of Islam.
I agree that this might also be happening in advanced countries but happening such stuff in islamic country is strange. I dont feel that governments can or should control it. I dont feel that Ulemaas take Danddaas in their hands becoz it will again be a breach of law and they wud also be subject to trials. I understand that this will be changed only and only when we all would like to change our ownselves. Every one who is taking bribes is from us. They are our brothers and sons.
So, I feel that so much has to be changed and it cannot be done over night.
It is not so simple that if we do this.............we will be able to do this.
I respect Mr. Muneeb but I dont like him.
I appreciate your interest and your passion for islam. But dear it has never been a wise act to fall into suicidal wars.
I know what happened in Ghazwa-e-Badar. I dont know what you have belief but I read that Sahabas saw men in green DASTAARS who were fighting against Kuffaar and were not from those 313 persons. I beleive that such things can happen with Nabi Pak PBUH and Sahabas but not with muslims like us. Further, Ghazwa-e-Badar was an imposed war on muslims. Muslims did not attack Kuffar in Makkah. Rather, Kuffaar attacked muslims in Madina. We should not ignore that in almost all Ghazwas, muslims fought only becoz Kuffaars imposed war on them or it was almost supposed to be imposed in very near future. Therefore Muslims replied. The only war when muslims took initiative was Fatah-e-Makkah and you must know that no war happened in this Fatah and muslims attitude was greatest.
Therefore, every example cannot match our situation.
We need to study the history completely.
The Hadees that muslims will face troubles due to leaving Jehad is apparent. But this is not for leaving Jehad now. It is due to leaving Jehad from ages. Muslims did not prepared arms and amunition like others. We did not made aeroplanes, rockets, atom bombs and other advanced equipments. There is a Hadees in which muslims were advised to keep their amunition and horses always reday. We left doing so since Mughal regime. Others progressed swiftly.
Therefore, we have to work very hard. In almost double pace than others and at least for 50 years. Then we might be able to do something.
Otherwise we should not think to defeat opponents.
Regards,
Kamran.
