05-25-2007, 05:26 PM
Dear Shuaib,
In fact you cannot deny that HAQ and BATIL in their regimes did the same things. I can prove it and u plz JUST GET THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CONCLUSION, I dont talk about the HAQ which might be considered as HAQ by GOD (becoz it is not known to us, it has a lengthy discussion and involves the HADEES about NAAJI Sect of Islaam and othe relevant religious material).
I just mention the HAQ and BATIL which we guys consider as HAQ and BATIL. We have to see it under two separate cases
CASE 1
For us (GENERALLY), in history, all muslims were HAQ and all others who were not muslim were BATIL.
If this is the case then it is very much true that muslims did similar things (as a nation) when they were in power as are expected to be done from others. You just look back into histroy and you will get 100s of examples. Mehmood Ghaznavi is just one example. I can accept him as a hero due to his brave fights and courage against opponents but I cannot acept him a hero purely in islamic meanings. Mr. Amir once referred his statement that he loved to be an idol destroyer than to be an idol sellers. Such statements have ever been given and recorded by all emporers.
You know Musharraf has recently given a statement that this KURSI (Position) and Respect has been awarded to him by ALLAH which the oposition parties cannot snatch from him. He further said that the door of KHANA KABA was not opened for Nawaz Shareef even on his requests but that door was opened for him 6 times without any request etc. He wanted to prove that all the support of God is with him and all what he is doing is totally as per will of God. In my view this is a big exclamation and he will pay for it. However, such statements cannot make a GHAASIB our hero. Likewise the statement of Mehmood Ghaznavi does not make him my hero purely in islamic terms. Such statements are the part of every one who was or would be in power. If some one feels him a hero in islamic terms, it is good for him.
CASE 2
Further, if the above is not the case and muslim emporers in general are not to be considered purely as HAQ, then what was or is the HAQ? We know that the Islam in its original text (QURAN, HADEES and SUNNAH) is HAQ but due to a number of sects of islam having totally (i mean totally) different basic idealogy, it would be again difficult to decide that which specific sect is on purest path of HAQ. Due to this, in such case, this will not be known to any one that practically which humans were on HAQ. Anyways this is a very lengthy discussion. I have made detailed studies on this topic and could not conclude anything except that such all facts are only known to ALLAH and we cannot know what are the intentions in minds and would such mindsets be proved by the acts and deeds. GHAIB is only known to ALLAH and human wisdom is very meager. However, in DUNYAVI terms if muslims are considered one nation without any sects and for that they are concluded to be HAQ and all others are BATIL then my conclusion, as per my thinking, remains logical.
I must know that you are a muslim and, as per my own understanding, all the questions raised by you are genuine questions and must not be considered as TABOO. Your comparison of BUSH government with MUSLIM governments when we were in power appears to be logical as per human mind. However, the best judge is ALLAH. Our Ulemaas should give logical explanations in normal gatherings in mosques and other places without declaring any person (asking such question) as non-muslim or DEVOTEE of EBLEES etc and the knowledge must not be kept in few hands. I totally agree to you that our sallybus books are very moderated and show the mentalities of those who are in government instead of showing real history of islam/muslims.
Best regards,
KAMRAN.
In fact you cannot deny that HAQ and BATIL in their regimes did the same things. I can prove it and u plz JUST GET THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CONCLUSION, I dont talk about the HAQ which might be considered as HAQ by GOD (becoz it is not known to us, it has a lengthy discussion and involves the HADEES about NAAJI Sect of Islaam and othe relevant religious material).
I just mention the HAQ and BATIL which we guys consider as HAQ and BATIL. We have to see it under two separate cases
CASE 1
For us (GENERALLY), in history, all muslims were HAQ and all others who were not muslim were BATIL.
If this is the case then it is very much true that muslims did similar things (as a nation) when they were in power as are expected to be done from others. You just look back into histroy and you will get 100s of examples. Mehmood Ghaznavi is just one example. I can accept him as a hero due to his brave fights and courage against opponents but I cannot acept him a hero purely in islamic meanings. Mr. Amir once referred his statement that he loved to be an idol destroyer than to be an idol sellers. Such statements have ever been given and recorded by all emporers.
You know Musharraf has recently given a statement that this KURSI (Position) and Respect has been awarded to him by ALLAH which the oposition parties cannot snatch from him. He further said that the door of KHANA KABA was not opened for Nawaz Shareef even on his requests but that door was opened for him 6 times without any request etc. He wanted to prove that all the support of God is with him and all what he is doing is totally as per will of God. In my view this is a big exclamation and he will pay for it. However, such statements cannot make a GHAASIB our hero. Likewise the statement of Mehmood Ghaznavi does not make him my hero purely in islamic terms. Such statements are the part of every one who was or would be in power. If some one feels him a hero in islamic terms, it is good for him.
CASE 2
Further, if the above is not the case and muslim emporers in general are not to be considered purely as HAQ, then what was or is the HAQ? We know that the Islam in its original text (QURAN, HADEES and SUNNAH) is HAQ but due to a number of sects of islam having totally (i mean totally) different basic idealogy, it would be again difficult to decide that which specific sect is on purest path of HAQ. Due to this, in such case, this will not be known to any one that practically which humans were on HAQ. Anyways this is a very lengthy discussion. I have made detailed studies on this topic and could not conclude anything except that such all facts are only known to ALLAH and we cannot know what are the intentions in minds and would such mindsets be proved by the acts and deeds. GHAIB is only known to ALLAH and human wisdom is very meager. However, in DUNYAVI terms if muslims are considered one nation without any sects and for that they are concluded to be HAQ and all others are BATIL then my conclusion, as per my thinking, remains logical.
I must know that you are a muslim and, as per my own understanding, all the questions raised by you are genuine questions and must not be considered as TABOO. Your comparison of BUSH government with MUSLIM governments when we were in power appears to be logical as per human mind. However, the best judge is ALLAH. Our Ulemaas should give logical explanations in normal gatherings in mosques and other places without declaring any person (asking such question) as non-muslim or DEVOTEE of EBLEES etc and the knowledge must not be kept in few hands. I totally agree to you that our sallybus books are very moderated and show the mentalities of those who are in government instead of showing real history of islam/muslims.
Best regards,
KAMRAN.
