06-05-2007, 06:13 PM
Dear Shoaib,
If we get into debate that who made Pakistan then there come the names of millions who have sacrificed so much that we cannot even imagine. But of course, all over the world, the main credit (bad as well as good) goes to the leaders. Just like Altaf is sitting at UK and all what has been done at Karachi is labelled on him. You must also know that how bravely our common citizens and army NAAIKs sacrificed their lives in the war of 1965 but NISHAN-E-HAIDER was given to a few persons. That's why I conclude that credit has to be given to Mr. Jinnah and his fellows specially his sister.
However, if some one has adverse views about the creation of Pakistan then these all facts do not matter him at all. Then a new debate could be started which of course is not desired at the moment.
Infact if you see my message, I was not commenting on the role of women in the creation of Pakistan. I was basically discusisng the role of Fatima Jinnah only. However, I still believe that the role of females cannot be ignored. Males eventually do the things which are desired by their females. Females take the edge of being mothers of all males and as such, normally, have influence on one's brought up and mindset.
As far as Maulvies are concerned, I know a reasonable population knows them well. Still, every one when wants to save his skin from his ill-doings (like Zia-ul-Haq) hides his head in the laps of Ulemas. It's not bad if some one wants to make his deeds better. But first of all every Maulvi is not Alam and capable of doing so. Further, this should not happen only for political intents as most of the people do now-a-days.
You were asking the logic of Quaid to make Pakistan, if he did not want it to be a rigid Maulvi state. I think I have mentioned it in previous message as
"So many of the Maulvies and their HAM KHAYAL group did not leave India just becoz they knew Mr. Jinnah has to establish a secular, modernized and progressive democratic islamic state where rigid minded Maulvies will not be given much importance."
The reply to your query was already embedded in the lines quoted by you. Two nations idealogy was based upon the conflicting principles and traditions of Hindu and Muslim societies. Still, it has nothing to do with rigidity. The matters of importance were of differences in worship places, basic difference of Tauheed and Shirak, sacrificing of cow, eating of meat and other conflicting festivals etc. These were the problems of common men (muslims) who were being crushed on account of such differences. The purpose and logic to make Pakistan was to provide a place to muslims where every common man/woman either muslim or non-muslim can live with independence. Independence meant Independence. Where no one will attack on the other on the basis of religion, caste and other such matters. The basic theme was to provide INDEPENDENCE. Could this be acheived by providing power to rigid Maulvies? Our true Ulemas could not so far reach consensus on the basic issues. We are every year fighting on the matter of seeing HILAL-E-EID after Ramzan. This is just one example. We could not achieve consensus on so many issues (where it is logically required) after the lapse of 60 years almost. What other simple rigid Maulvies would be up to in this scenrio. Just concentrate on this question and you will definitely find reply to your query.
Dear Shoaib,
This might not appear logical to any one else but in my view every society has its own norms. Religions do affect the beliefs and a little bit to norms but the basics of norms (which dont collide with the religion) remain as it is. My views are solely my views and if you or any body else do not agree with them, it makes no difference for me. Likewise if I dont agree with your views it again dont make any difference to you.
Still, in my view, VEIL is not made compulsory by the Holy Quran. This is my view. Further, our females (I mean muslim ones) should take care to maintain the norms of our society which are of course conceptually Islam influenced and should be influenced as such becoz majority of this country is Muslim. For those who are non-muslims, following of the laws of this country is necessary which do not allow for lewdness.
Basically, we need to realize our responsibilities as citizens of this country and we should not be extremely narrow minded for the females.
This is what I want to convey.
Best regards,
Kamran.
If we get into debate that who made Pakistan then there come the names of millions who have sacrificed so much that we cannot even imagine. But of course, all over the world, the main credit (bad as well as good) goes to the leaders. Just like Altaf is sitting at UK and all what has been done at Karachi is labelled on him. You must also know that how bravely our common citizens and army NAAIKs sacrificed their lives in the war of 1965 but NISHAN-E-HAIDER was given to a few persons. That's why I conclude that credit has to be given to Mr. Jinnah and his fellows specially his sister.
However, if some one has adverse views about the creation of Pakistan then these all facts do not matter him at all. Then a new debate could be started which of course is not desired at the moment.
Infact if you see my message, I was not commenting on the role of women in the creation of Pakistan. I was basically discusisng the role of Fatima Jinnah only. However, I still believe that the role of females cannot be ignored. Males eventually do the things which are desired by their females. Females take the edge of being mothers of all males and as such, normally, have influence on one's brought up and mindset.
As far as Maulvies are concerned, I know a reasonable population knows them well. Still, every one when wants to save his skin from his ill-doings (like Zia-ul-Haq) hides his head in the laps of Ulemas. It's not bad if some one wants to make his deeds better. But first of all every Maulvi is not Alam and capable of doing so. Further, this should not happen only for political intents as most of the people do now-a-days.
You were asking the logic of Quaid to make Pakistan, if he did not want it to be a rigid Maulvi state. I think I have mentioned it in previous message as
"So many of the Maulvies and their HAM KHAYAL group did not leave India just becoz they knew Mr. Jinnah has to establish a secular, modernized and progressive democratic islamic state where rigid minded Maulvies will not be given much importance."
The reply to your query was already embedded in the lines quoted by you. Two nations idealogy was based upon the conflicting principles and traditions of Hindu and Muslim societies. Still, it has nothing to do with rigidity. The matters of importance were of differences in worship places, basic difference of Tauheed and Shirak, sacrificing of cow, eating of meat and other conflicting festivals etc. These were the problems of common men (muslims) who were being crushed on account of such differences. The purpose and logic to make Pakistan was to provide a place to muslims where every common man/woman either muslim or non-muslim can live with independence. Independence meant Independence. Where no one will attack on the other on the basis of religion, caste and other such matters. The basic theme was to provide INDEPENDENCE. Could this be acheived by providing power to rigid Maulvies? Our true Ulemas could not so far reach consensus on the basic issues. We are every year fighting on the matter of seeing HILAL-E-EID after Ramzan. This is just one example. We could not achieve consensus on so many issues (where it is logically required) after the lapse of 60 years almost. What other simple rigid Maulvies would be up to in this scenrio. Just concentrate on this question and you will definitely find reply to your query.
Dear Shoaib,
This might not appear logical to any one else but in my view every society has its own norms. Religions do affect the beliefs and a little bit to norms but the basics of norms (which dont collide with the religion) remain as it is. My views are solely my views and if you or any body else do not agree with them, it makes no difference for me. Likewise if I dont agree with your views it again dont make any difference to you.
Still, in my view, VEIL is not made compulsory by the Holy Quran. This is my view. Further, our females (I mean muslim ones) should take care to maintain the norms of our society which are of course conceptually Islam influenced and should be influenced as such becoz majority of this country is Muslim. For those who are non-muslims, following of the laws of this country is necessary which do not allow for lewdness.
Basically, we need to realize our responsibilities as citizens of this country and we should not be extremely narrow minded for the females.
This is what I want to convey.
Best regards,
Kamran.
