06-15-2007, 11:26 PM
I could not help laughing while getting through the later half of this thread.
Dear Kamran Sb.
With some regrets, however, I have to come back to some points made by Kamran. Having said that I do not want to indulge any debate and still developing one, I can't say anything but sorry for that.
Coming to the point, my approach regarding the those millions who sacrificed their lives for making of Pakistan may be quite simple and distorted by my unawareness of the subject.
However, this is my hollow-mind that, at the first place, raises some suspicions.
Pakistan came into being on 1947 and some million lives were sacrificed in the process. The approximate stats I have in this regard are that some 3 million people had to migrate and this massive migration (perhaps the largest in the history of mankind) claimed some 0.8 million lives. For every ones kindest information this 0.8 million didn't only constitute of Muslims. A lot of Hindus and Sikhs were also massacred in the process. And, in their case the culprits had been Muslims.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by kamranACA</i>
<br />Dear Shoaib,
So much you have written down is a very simple over-view of the scene. You (i mean any one from your family) have not experienced the migration from India to Pakistan. Have this been a case, you would have not been unaware of those millions who sacrificed their lives, their properties, their siblings and much more for Pakistan during the whole process of freedom and specially during the phase of migration. Of course so many of those who opted India as their place have also gone thorugh this process. But at the moment we are discussing Pakistan.
I have personally met so many old men and women who were the part of this migration. I have heard directly from them and my knowledge is not simply based on the text book of PAKISTAN STUDIES. I am not discussing the intents behind such migration or the reasons for such migration. Infact the thing under discussion is what exactly has happened.
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Kamran, after having read your post I have to conclude that your knowledge in this regard is primarily based on the Pak Studies you have learnt. I have heard a lot about the sufferings of the migrants from my grandmother who migrated along with here family to Pakistan, and lost half her relatives in the way. The incedent I beleive is a matter of embarassment for the whole humanity.
But these lives were not sacrificesd for the making of Pakistan, infact they were the aftermath of the situation, I wonder how anyone could disagree. Sub-continent got liberated from colonial role due to their own post-war strategies. And this was not the case with our's subcontinent only. Whole of the thirld world experience the same freedom. Say thanks to mindless Sir Adolf Hitler.
The real acheivements of Muslim leadership of that time is the division of subcontinent. And the most eminent name is of M. A. Jinnah.
I am not asking you to justify the partition of sub continent which resulted in a massive migration of 3 million people, who have to willingly or unwillingly migrate, yes I mean it UNWILLINGLY MIGRATE. Neither I am asking you to justify the two nation theory, especially after the division of Pakistan, which came into being on the basis of two nation theory. Furthermore, I am not accusing you for the miserable plight of Muslims in present India. An important point in this regard is that India is the largest Muslim Nation. I explain it, India is the county having the largest no. of Muslims. My point just lies in please don't say that Pakistan was aquired after sacrificing millions of innocent lives including our incestors.
Dear Kamran Sb.
With some regrets, however, I have to come back to some points made by Kamran. Having said that I do not want to indulge any debate and still developing one, I can't say anything but sorry for that.
Coming to the point, my approach regarding the those millions who sacrificed their lives for making of Pakistan may be quite simple and distorted by my unawareness of the subject.
However, this is my hollow-mind that, at the first place, raises some suspicions.
Pakistan came into being on 1947 and some million lives were sacrificed in the process. The approximate stats I have in this regard are that some 3 million people had to migrate and this massive migration (perhaps the largest in the history of mankind) claimed some 0.8 million lives. For every ones kindest information this 0.8 million didn't only constitute of Muslims. A lot of Hindus and Sikhs were also massacred in the process. And, in their case the culprits had been Muslims.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by kamranACA</i>
<br />Dear Shoaib,
So much you have written down is a very simple over-view of the scene. You (i mean any one from your family) have not experienced the migration from India to Pakistan. Have this been a case, you would have not been unaware of those millions who sacrificed their lives, their properties, their siblings and much more for Pakistan during the whole process of freedom and specially during the phase of migration. Of course so many of those who opted India as their place have also gone thorugh this process. But at the moment we are discussing Pakistan.
I have personally met so many old men and women who were the part of this migration. I have heard directly from them and my knowledge is not simply based on the text book of PAKISTAN STUDIES. I am not discussing the intents behind such migration or the reasons for such migration. Infact the thing under discussion is what exactly has happened.
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Kamran, after having read your post I have to conclude that your knowledge in this regard is primarily based on the Pak Studies you have learnt. I have heard a lot about the sufferings of the migrants from my grandmother who migrated along with here family to Pakistan, and lost half her relatives in the way. The incedent I beleive is a matter of embarassment for the whole humanity.
But these lives were not sacrificesd for the making of Pakistan, infact they were the aftermath of the situation, I wonder how anyone could disagree. Sub-continent got liberated from colonial role due to their own post-war strategies. And this was not the case with our's subcontinent only. Whole of the thirld world experience the same freedom. Say thanks to mindless Sir Adolf Hitler.
The real acheivements of Muslim leadership of that time is the division of subcontinent. And the most eminent name is of M. A. Jinnah.
I am not asking you to justify the partition of sub continent which resulted in a massive migration of 3 million people, who have to willingly or unwillingly migrate, yes I mean it UNWILLINGLY MIGRATE. Neither I am asking you to justify the two nation theory, especially after the division of Pakistan, which came into being on the basis of two nation theory. Furthermore, I am not accusing you for the miserable plight of Muslims in present India. An important point in this regard is that India is the largest Muslim Nation. I explain it, India is the county having the largest no. of Muslims. My point just lies in please don't say that Pakistan was aquired after sacrificing millions of innocent lives including our incestors.
