06-16-2007, 09:46 PM
Dear Amir,
Your favor to this army is not unjustifiable. Afterall you are a Pakistani whose force is this army and no body easily digest citicising its own force. I have been a big admirer of this army until the time when I studied the history of defeats faced by this army and specially when I worked in close co-ordination with them for almost three years for some national level assignment and I concluded whatever I have written.
It's good if some body has not revealed the illdoings of army of Pakistan. Off course it is uite painful.
I just refer to your above post. I said that there might be 1 % only who would be honest in the leaders of this army. Am I wrong? I dont feel so. Further, this army is so much found of getting into governance, one canot even believe. I was working at some organization that was handed over to army due to severe problems for rescue. There, I saw so many soldiers and officers who were working on various issues (the major issue was to find out blackmailing material about others). I was doing investigative task at that organization and these army men oftenly contacted my team to disclose them our findings which were not at all to be disclosed to them, and we never did. This thing I mentioned only by the way. The army people were having their own arrangements and were never welcomed in guest houses and other specific facilities of that organization. They were not even seen at there. Meanwhile, in those days, Musharraf took over the government. Exactly on that very day we witnessed that the poor soldiers (who were not even supposed to enter the guest houses) were sitting at the dining table of the OFFICERS' mess like if they were the owners of that organization. I asked one of those men that what made them to do it. He replied, now it is our government and we will do whatever we would like. My God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
However, soon after hearing that it was not going to be a pure martial law they again went back into their tents/quarters.
I wonder how much this wish has panetrated from top to the roots. I wonder if it is the main resposnibility of this army. If it is not its responsibility, then why they are so much found of doing it. Every one knows the reasons.
Now Musharraf is very much used to give public messages to choose bala bala political party in elections. He even leaves orders for the leaders and workers of that party as if he were the main leader/chairperson of that party. He is a government employee. How can he do it? How can he get into political positions and roles? He has written a book disclosing so many facts while he is in government job. What a joke is it? This is a destroyed country. No one can ask what is being happening? And the main destroyers of this country are not the politicians, these have always been the army men.
Whenever army snatchs the government from political leaders, it states that there was threat to interior security of the country which caused them to do so.
I in reply to Mr. Shoiab argue, that if this is army's prerogative to declare the interior security issue as and when they need, and if the Bhutto was the main culprit in 1971's issue, then why not at that time army realised the issue of interior security? Why? I know the answer. Becoz at that time it was really a challenge to control the circumstances and our great army never has courage to control the real problems when they emerge. They can only get into government when all issues are settled and when there appears no big challenge. If some one doubts, he can see the history and timings whenever army stepped into government.
Shoaib said, that whether the decision of joining army can make him dishonest? I dont really know but some departments have their picture in the eyes of the public. If some one is in police, he could be very much honest, but just knowing about some one to be in police, creates so much doubts about him and there always emerges some general opinion. Same is the thing with army now a days. A very noble person if (due to wahetevr circumstances) seen at brothel cannot make him sinful, but can cause a great deal of disrepute for him.
My friend also commented that my view that army is the most corrupt instition is not justified as politicians are more/equal dishonest than/to army. I just invite his attention that I called the word INSTITUTION and politician are not institution.
Further, politician of this country had never been given a room to play his role. He ever had a danger of losing his government to army which made him not work and settled his mind on the parameters of this army for looting from this nation watever they can during that meager tenure of their governments. I dont go to 1947, I just recall the period which we have witnessed. When Bhutto was doing well, he was ended by Zia. When Junejo was about to win the hearts of masses due to the rapid development works started during his tenure, Zia again demolished assemblies. When Bey Nazeer was in government, president dissloved assemblies on the instructions of army men. When Nwaz came into government, again army intervened and his assemblies were dissolved. Then again he came into power, and Musharraf snatched his role from him even after his big decision of atomic testing which was a courgeous event.
Army never left politician to do anything. Further, most of the ploticians are planted by the hands of generals and they are not that political in their ideaology.
I have no doubt that every good and bad in Pakistan is due to its army as only the army is the institution wich has ever governed the country.
Latest news is that 11 navy men (from a team who was sent to Japan) have hidden theirselves in Japan and are not being located by their officers. This is the condition of our army. The guys who would seek assylum from others, how would they secure their own nation.
Regards,
Your favor to this army is not unjustifiable. Afterall you are a Pakistani whose force is this army and no body easily digest citicising its own force. I have been a big admirer of this army until the time when I studied the history of defeats faced by this army and specially when I worked in close co-ordination with them for almost three years for some national level assignment and I concluded whatever I have written.
It's good if some body has not revealed the illdoings of army of Pakistan. Off course it is uite painful.
I just refer to your above post. I said that there might be 1 % only who would be honest in the leaders of this army. Am I wrong? I dont feel so. Further, this army is so much found of getting into governance, one canot even believe. I was working at some organization that was handed over to army due to severe problems for rescue. There, I saw so many soldiers and officers who were working on various issues (the major issue was to find out blackmailing material about others). I was doing investigative task at that organization and these army men oftenly contacted my team to disclose them our findings which were not at all to be disclosed to them, and we never did. This thing I mentioned only by the way. The army people were having their own arrangements and were never welcomed in guest houses and other specific facilities of that organization. They were not even seen at there. Meanwhile, in those days, Musharraf took over the government. Exactly on that very day we witnessed that the poor soldiers (who were not even supposed to enter the guest houses) were sitting at the dining table of the OFFICERS' mess like if they were the owners of that organization. I asked one of those men that what made them to do it. He replied, now it is our government and we will do whatever we would like. My God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
However, soon after hearing that it was not going to be a pure martial law they again went back into their tents/quarters.
I wonder how much this wish has panetrated from top to the roots. I wonder if it is the main resposnibility of this army. If it is not its responsibility, then why they are so much found of doing it. Every one knows the reasons.
Now Musharraf is very much used to give public messages to choose bala bala political party in elections. He even leaves orders for the leaders and workers of that party as if he were the main leader/chairperson of that party. He is a government employee. How can he do it? How can he get into political positions and roles? He has written a book disclosing so many facts while he is in government job. What a joke is it? This is a destroyed country. No one can ask what is being happening? And the main destroyers of this country are not the politicians, these have always been the army men.
Whenever army snatchs the government from political leaders, it states that there was threat to interior security of the country which caused them to do so.
I in reply to Mr. Shoiab argue, that if this is army's prerogative to declare the interior security issue as and when they need, and if the Bhutto was the main culprit in 1971's issue, then why not at that time army realised the issue of interior security? Why? I know the answer. Becoz at that time it was really a challenge to control the circumstances and our great army never has courage to control the real problems when they emerge. They can only get into government when all issues are settled and when there appears no big challenge. If some one doubts, he can see the history and timings whenever army stepped into government.
Shoaib said, that whether the decision of joining army can make him dishonest? I dont really know but some departments have their picture in the eyes of the public. If some one is in police, he could be very much honest, but just knowing about some one to be in police, creates so much doubts about him and there always emerges some general opinion. Same is the thing with army now a days. A very noble person if (due to wahetevr circumstances) seen at brothel cannot make him sinful, but can cause a great deal of disrepute for him.
My friend also commented that my view that army is the most corrupt instition is not justified as politicians are more/equal dishonest than/to army. I just invite his attention that I called the word INSTITUTION and politician are not institution.
Further, politician of this country had never been given a room to play his role. He ever had a danger of losing his government to army which made him not work and settled his mind on the parameters of this army for looting from this nation watever they can during that meager tenure of their governments. I dont go to 1947, I just recall the period which we have witnessed. When Bhutto was doing well, he was ended by Zia. When Junejo was about to win the hearts of masses due to the rapid development works started during his tenure, Zia again demolished assemblies. When Bey Nazeer was in government, president dissloved assemblies on the instructions of army men. When Nwaz came into government, again army intervened and his assemblies were dissolved. Then again he came into power, and Musharraf snatched his role from him even after his big decision of atomic testing which was a courgeous event.
Army never left politician to do anything. Further, most of the ploticians are planted by the hands of generals and they are not that political in their ideaology.
I have no doubt that every good and bad in Pakistan is due to its army as only the army is the institution wich has ever governed the country.
Latest news is that 11 navy men (from a team who was sent to Japan) have hidden theirselves in Japan and are not being located by their officers. This is the condition of our army. The guys who would seek assylum from others, how would they secure their own nation.
Regards,
