07-12-2007, 02:24 PM
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<br />Just what I can assess at the end of this drama is we people are predisposed to results and only find means to justity the conclusions we have drawn in our mind.
The general psyche is that defend the Ghazi brothers and blame the government. We don't have got the ability to understand that while evaluating the results of this particular event we can't at the same time blame the government and agencies for this predetermined drama and called the maulvis shaheeds. Do try to understand what I wanted to say.
If it was a drama planned by the government and agencies, then ghazi brothers are the ones who should be blammed first. In this case they are government spys in guise of maulanas. If it is the case they should be cursed for earning the bad name to ulamas, Pakistan and whole Muslim Nation. I don't know how one who says that it was a planned drama could support the ghazi brothers. Muslims have to look at things with a broader mind, anything that attaches Islam to it may not always be right.
If someone says it is a genuine incident and then he supports the gahzis then atleast he is to a little extent justfied. At least he is not a confused mind messing up contradicting things. However, majority of evidence are in the favour of proving that it was a pre planned event.
Another important thing to look at is the students who were declared mujahids in the begining were later on used as hostages to save his own life. What could be more SHARAMNAK then this. Didn't you people see their parents weaping outside for seven days. If someone deliberately wants to keep his eyes close may Allah help him.
A person or a group who has challenged the writ of the state should never be given a safe passage. Similar examples are there from history. By giving them a safe way out the govt. is getting blackmailed by them and is paving path for more such incidents.
This is not what JIHAD is...........please try to understand.
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Mr. Schueab, Well i wont say that it was a PRE-PLANNED drama. I have a hunch that both Ghazi brothers had conflicts. Ghazi Rasheed seems to be innocent and soft hearted person where as the elder brother seems to be quite shrewd. How cum he being the Khatib of Mosque, initiating the whole problem, came out alive with his wife and kids. and how cum the Naib Khatib, MOulana Rasheed had to take over his brother's responsibilities and got killed at the end?. I am afraid that if the govt was involved in this whole incident then Moulana Aziz was a part of this game too. He knew what's going to happen.
Govt said again and again that she wanted to save the maximum number of lives. They said that there are a lot of innocent people inside , that includes kids, girls, ladies and some parents too. But the time when Moulana Rasheed was ready to talk, Mr Musharaf gave him an agreement with a time limit of 30 mins only, to say either Yes or No to his proposed conditions/agreement. Why so? Was he afraid to see that matter is going towards a peaceful solution? Why he did not tried to solve the problem with negotiation only? Why he did not give them atleast one more day to think on his proposed agreement????
YOu answer me by yourself, that if you were the person to decide that what could be the best solution to achieve this target, to safe maximum lives, what you would have done? If you ask me, i am sure that i would have accepted Moulana's demands. I would have agreed to give him safe passage and let him leave the islamabad, leave the charge of Madrisaas, drop all the weapons they had and let them go. Later on I being the Govt., could have used my CID force to follow them. But atleast i would have never decided to kill 1000 rather more people of my very own country. NO WAY......
figure of 1000 may be doesnt carry much value when you say it from mouth. but just imagine if 1000 bodies are lying in front of you, all soaked with humman blood. And that bodies include small kids too, atleast my heart will brust out from pain.
I feel that whatever you call this whole thing, drama or real inicident or whatever, but the innocent got killed and the culprits are still safe or actually in safe hands.
As far as America role is concerned, i am sure that while deciding about final operation, Musharaf only thought about smiling face of Bush and not crying eyes of his own country men. YOu say that Moulana was keeping the innocent kids as hostages to save his life. Tell me that hostage was better for those parents weeping outside, or this is now best for them that their own President ordered his troops to kill their kids in front of their eyes?????????? Do you think that Moulana would have ever killed any of those kids??????
<br />Just what I can assess at the end of this drama is we people are predisposed to results and only find means to justity the conclusions we have drawn in our mind.
The general psyche is that defend the Ghazi brothers and blame the government. We don't have got the ability to understand that while evaluating the results of this particular event we can't at the same time blame the government and agencies for this predetermined drama and called the maulvis shaheeds. Do try to understand what I wanted to say.
If it was a drama planned by the government and agencies, then ghazi brothers are the ones who should be blammed first. In this case they are government spys in guise of maulanas. If it is the case they should be cursed for earning the bad name to ulamas, Pakistan and whole Muslim Nation. I don't know how one who says that it was a planned drama could support the ghazi brothers. Muslims have to look at things with a broader mind, anything that attaches Islam to it may not always be right.
If someone says it is a genuine incident and then he supports the gahzis then atleast he is to a little extent justfied. At least he is not a confused mind messing up contradicting things. However, majority of evidence are in the favour of proving that it was a pre planned event.
Another important thing to look at is the students who were declared mujahids in the begining were later on used as hostages to save his own life. What could be more SHARAMNAK then this. Didn't you people see their parents weaping outside for seven days. If someone deliberately wants to keep his eyes close may Allah help him.
A person or a group who has challenged the writ of the state should never be given a safe passage. Similar examples are there from history. By giving them a safe way out the govt. is getting blackmailed by them and is paving path for more such incidents.
This is not what JIHAD is...........please try to understand.
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Mr. Schueab, Well i wont say that it was a PRE-PLANNED drama. I have a hunch that both Ghazi brothers had conflicts. Ghazi Rasheed seems to be innocent and soft hearted person where as the elder brother seems to be quite shrewd. How cum he being the Khatib of Mosque, initiating the whole problem, came out alive with his wife and kids. and how cum the Naib Khatib, MOulana Rasheed had to take over his brother's responsibilities and got killed at the end?. I am afraid that if the govt was involved in this whole incident then Moulana Aziz was a part of this game too. He knew what's going to happen.
Govt said again and again that she wanted to save the maximum number of lives. They said that there are a lot of innocent people inside , that includes kids, girls, ladies and some parents too. But the time when Moulana Rasheed was ready to talk, Mr Musharaf gave him an agreement with a time limit of 30 mins only, to say either Yes or No to his proposed conditions/agreement. Why so? Was he afraid to see that matter is going towards a peaceful solution? Why he did not tried to solve the problem with negotiation only? Why he did not give them atleast one more day to think on his proposed agreement????
YOu answer me by yourself, that if you were the person to decide that what could be the best solution to achieve this target, to safe maximum lives, what you would have done? If you ask me, i am sure that i would have accepted Moulana's demands. I would have agreed to give him safe passage and let him leave the islamabad, leave the charge of Madrisaas, drop all the weapons they had and let them go. Later on I being the Govt., could have used my CID force to follow them. But atleast i would have never decided to kill 1000 rather more people of my very own country. NO WAY......
figure of 1000 may be doesnt carry much value when you say it from mouth. but just imagine if 1000 bodies are lying in front of you, all soaked with humman blood. And that bodies include small kids too, atleast my heart will brust out from pain.
I feel that whatever you call this whole thing, drama or real inicident or whatever, but the innocent got killed and the culprits are still safe or actually in safe hands.
As far as America role is concerned, i am sure that while deciding about final operation, Musharaf only thought about smiling face of Bush and not crying eyes of his own country men. YOu say that Moulana was keeping the innocent kids as hostages to save his life. Tell me that hostage was better for those parents weeping outside, or this is now best for them that their own President ordered his troops to kill their kids in front of their eyes?????????? Do you think that Moulana would have ever killed any of those kids??????
