07-15-2007, 03:32 PM
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<br />In my opinion both government and the management of the Lal Masjid are to blame for this incident. The government should have stopped getting arms and ammunition smuggled into the mosque. The whole point of this mosque was to preach young or old muslims on Quran and Islamic issues, yet they had modern fire arms.
I think silence operation was legitimate as government tried its best to reduce the number of casualties, if any, there were to occur from the commando action. The government gave the management about 7 days to surrender but the brothers were reluctunt to surrender - see the way one of the brother came out!
I think if these maulanas were against the way the country is run by the current management, they should liaise with their party, MMA, and try to get enough votes in the coming general election to form their own government and address all issues then. What the hell is this argument that they want to form a shariat court within this mosque that already has a number of modern fire arms!
What I've heard the reason behind why negotiations didn't get successful is because at the very last time, Maulana said he also wants those extremists (probably foreign terrorists) to get free exit too. I think that is too much to ask and shouldn't have been asked.
I guess the majority of Pakistani believe that this whole incident was planned to please western governments. I think Musharrafs job is the most difficult job currently in the world. I think if any of us are to be in his position, we would have done the same.
The whole problem is with our public and opposition in the parliament. Most of these opposition guys are there to make their own politics. You can tell from their way of communication the level of education. Having a BA degree is not difficult. I think the condition should've been whether they can communicate effectively.
I think our government should've only one spokesperson and all other people should be banned from giving comments on sensitive matters. On this mosque incident, everyone was willing to give comments and all of them were giving different stories. We have seen many times that a railway minister comments on foreign policy issues and vice versa. The railway minister, for example, might be a senior minister but he shouldn't be commenting on foreign policy issues purely because that's not his domain.
Our public is too illeterate. I think these guys should study properly so that they get to understand the real issues and focus their attentions to how to resolve these issues rather than simply agreeing with what media is saying. Half of the time, media is also complicating the stuff and predicting what could've happened rather than what's happened.
Overall, I think the Lal Masjid incident was one of bad week for the country but I also believe this is should've happened to the management of this extremist maulanas.
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In all what you said above, i truly second the only idea of being liaising with MMA or anyother party ,even coming out as new party and then come up with their ideas and demands. But again i will say, if they had made a mistake, the punishment should have never been death.
No i donot agree that govt was serious in saving lives. otherwise there was no lose to her if she had waited for few more days. Electricity, food, water everything was already disconnected. For how many days the people inside would have watied for govt to respond positively?
As you said very confidently, "Our public is too illeterate.". Who has made them or kept them illiterate? Majority of Pakistan has been intentionally induldged into the vicious circle of Rottee, Kapra and Makaan. No one has time to think about what's going on around them. They just need the above three things for their survival. Ask a poor lady, where she is going to caste her vote in elections? Her asnswer would be, " Baji sanoon kee koun kursi (chair) tey aanda aey, tey koun jaanda aey. Sannoon do waqat dee routee mill jaey bas." Before the elections, leader will come, give one Aaatay kee boree, one daal and sugar ka packet to them for free. In result of this favor he owns all their votes. After winning the seat, he will never show up with his dirty face again. But for next five years, nuqsaan tou ho giya na Pakistan ka.
So i will say that All blame goes to our leaders/govt/ruling authorities. A country like Pakistan, which is blessed with all kind of blessings, is going towards death with each day passing.
Help and SAVE your country in any possible way, you can.
<br />In my opinion both government and the management of the Lal Masjid are to blame for this incident. The government should have stopped getting arms and ammunition smuggled into the mosque. The whole point of this mosque was to preach young or old muslims on Quran and Islamic issues, yet they had modern fire arms.
I think silence operation was legitimate as government tried its best to reduce the number of casualties, if any, there were to occur from the commando action. The government gave the management about 7 days to surrender but the brothers were reluctunt to surrender - see the way one of the brother came out!
I think if these maulanas were against the way the country is run by the current management, they should liaise with their party, MMA, and try to get enough votes in the coming general election to form their own government and address all issues then. What the hell is this argument that they want to form a shariat court within this mosque that already has a number of modern fire arms!
What I've heard the reason behind why negotiations didn't get successful is because at the very last time, Maulana said he also wants those extremists (probably foreign terrorists) to get free exit too. I think that is too much to ask and shouldn't have been asked.
I guess the majority of Pakistani believe that this whole incident was planned to please western governments. I think Musharrafs job is the most difficult job currently in the world. I think if any of us are to be in his position, we would have done the same.
The whole problem is with our public and opposition in the parliament. Most of these opposition guys are there to make their own politics. You can tell from their way of communication the level of education. Having a BA degree is not difficult. I think the condition should've been whether they can communicate effectively.
I think our government should've only one spokesperson and all other people should be banned from giving comments on sensitive matters. On this mosque incident, everyone was willing to give comments and all of them were giving different stories. We have seen many times that a railway minister comments on foreign policy issues and vice versa. The railway minister, for example, might be a senior minister but he shouldn't be commenting on foreign policy issues purely because that's not his domain.
Our public is too illeterate. I think these guys should study properly so that they get to understand the real issues and focus their attentions to how to resolve these issues rather than simply agreeing with what media is saying. Half of the time, media is also complicating the stuff and predicting what could've happened rather than what's happened.
Overall, I think the Lal Masjid incident was one of bad week for the country but I also believe this is should've happened to the management of this extremist maulanas.
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In all what you said above, i truly second the only idea of being liaising with MMA or anyother party ,even coming out as new party and then come up with their ideas and demands. But again i will say, if they had made a mistake, the punishment should have never been death.
No i donot agree that govt was serious in saving lives. otherwise there was no lose to her if she had waited for few more days. Electricity, food, water everything was already disconnected. For how many days the people inside would have watied for govt to respond positively?
As you said very confidently, "Our public is too illeterate.". Who has made them or kept them illiterate? Majority of Pakistan has been intentionally induldged into the vicious circle of Rottee, Kapra and Makaan. No one has time to think about what's going on around them. They just need the above three things for their survival. Ask a poor lady, where she is going to caste her vote in elections? Her asnswer would be, " Baji sanoon kee koun kursi (chair) tey aanda aey, tey koun jaanda aey. Sannoon do waqat dee routee mill jaey bas." Before the elections, leader will come, give one Aaatay kee boree, one daal and sugar ka packet to them for free. In result of this favor he owns all their votes. After winning the seat, he will never show up with his dirty face again. But for next five years, nuqsaan tou ho giya na Pakistan ka.
So i will say that All blame goes to our leaders/govt/ruling authorities. A country like Pakistan, which is blessed with all kind of blessings, is going towards death with each day passing.
Help and SAVE your country in any possible way, you can.
