07-16-2007, 12:03 AM
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<br />Dear Coollioness,
Kamran.
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First of all with all apologies, i want to rectify you that i no where said that i live in USA. i said i work in an american firm that can be any where. As far as where do i live is concerned i live in a Muslim country, where we have islamic laws. So i am following islamic laws only. Secondly the salary i am paid is from that Islamic country govt. Because the work we are doing here is basically given to us by govt. Thirdly 75% of my money goes into my bank account that is in Pakistan and there its been used only for the purposes carried out with in pakistan and no where outside.
I do not live in Pakistan doesnt mean that i do not know anything about my country. I am brought up in Pakistan and got all education there.
Now come to the point. I dont know where you are taking this topic. You have hardly answer to what i said. YOu are trying to prove me as an extremist. Well i dont mind untill i am on right.
About the hostages inside, as you very well said that it would be only felt by the people who were waiting outside etc etc..... first of all tell me, why these parents are putting so small kids (3yrs - 10 yrs) in madrissas and their hostels? Dont you think that our parents are just trying to shake off their responsibilities from their shoulders and throwing them on others???? Why my mother never asked us to go to Masjid for Quran kee taaleem? I remember my mother, my father, my naani and my daadi teaching us Quran and telling us the various incidents in islam and Quran. I have been seeing all of my family members from A to Z offering regular prayers and reciting Quran early morning. The point to tell you is that if you will go so deeply in to this matter then everyone is responsible for Lal Masjid and many other sad events directly or indirectly related to Mosques, Ulema's, Deeni Taleem and Muslims as whole. Sab se pehlay tou apnay ghar ka mahol theek karo.
<b>"If u open mindedly and with open eyes study the back ground of creation of Pakistan, u will come to know that this country was not created/founded for mullahism. {do qaumi nazria did not mean to make pakistan only a mullah state}" </b> Mr. my eyes are open (sight is 6/6, recently got checked) and mind is always ready to welcome the incoming traffic, i know what do qoumi nazria was. It no where says Mullahs but it doesnt draw any line betweeen Mullahs and other muslims. It says Muslims as whole. Mullah's are also included. Yeh tou tha aap kee baat ka jawaab. Now tell me why you feel Mullah's from some other part of Universe? You are using word Mullah as Godforbid its an abuse or something. Dont you think you need to open your eyes and mind too????
I am not at all saying that i am in favor of Mullah's or their way of teaching. But Mr. not all fingers are alike. I always opposed the Sakhthi or enforcement in Islamic education practised by some of our Molvies in Mosques. I am only talking about the ones i had seen in my street and i did not liked their way. Its such a soft religion that you do not need to impose it on someone. But sab aik jaise nahin hotay. If talk about Ghazi brothers and their students then i told you that punishment for them was not death. They were not terrorists. Again i will ask you that who knows that they had been trying to talk to govt in peaceful ways. Demand to reconstruct 7 Mosques was not something out of the world demand. If govt can pass budget of 2500 carores to construct a new GHQ in islamabad (which is of no use and not needed) then why not few lacs on mosques? Humari Govt tou Modern Islam laanay ke chakron mein hai. And in this try she is crossing the limits. I dont know but i heard some one telling me that Mr. Musharaf had passed a bill about Zana thats completely against Islam and against the will of Public. I need to study on that so i wont say much on this issue.
I strongly condemned Silence Operation. I wish someday, someone (may be a real terrorist)should kidnap Mr Musharaf and his family and then do Muzakraath with his chamchaas outside. During all these days of Muzakraath, No water, No electricty, No food is provided to him. Then I will see what he and his chamchass (Roshan khiyaal and Patriot Pakistanis) will do to save his life. Then they will accept all jaaiz and najaaiz demands from those terrorists. Or am i wrong??? I wish i could have given this idea to Ghazi brothers [)]
<b>"You are totally ignorant of laws of Pakistan"</b> I have been a student of Political Science. where i have not only read Pakistan Laws and constituition but USA, Britain, Switzerland and some other countries too.
<b>"Constitution gives some extra rights to non muslims and u cannot deny it as I quoted an example in above para. If u will stop it by ur hands then why u dont have courage to stop it in USA where u r earning from them, living on their land, and obeying their laws with all modesty. What a dual policy u people have?" </b> Oh God what are you talking about? I was talking about my home. i said i wont allow any non muslim doing something that can effect or contradict with my believes. LIke if a non muslim lady comes out infront of my family member in some objectionable dress, YEs i am going to tell her that Kinldy do not wear such dress in my home when you are sitting between all of us. do it in your room premises. jahan taq baat hai stop the evil in USA then i do not have any right to do that openly. Thats their country, their laws. Meray aik ke liye sab badalnay se tou rahay. But i can do it in my country. right?
<b>"Secondly, if u deem pakistan as ur country then u are totally wrong and once again u r showing some extremist"</b> Loo jee extremist mein hoowi ke aap. Pakistan is my birth country and you are saying its not mine. Just coz i am against govt silence operation? [(]
<b>At the end, i calrify that law is to be implemented by law enforcers and not be me and u or lal masjid people. Make ur understaing clear please.</b> Do you live in Pakistan? if yes then can you give me one single example of a law thats being really implemented by our Law enforcers?
<b>"I know I cannot change ur mindset as it could have never been changed,"</b> No you are most welcome to try on me with new ideas and showing me things with new angles because i really do have a Roshan Khiyaal mind. I cannot deny the truth [)] But dont mind, my advice, that may be you have to be a little more , i said little more, i know you are already a very open minded person, but still 19 - 20 ka faraq hai, try to be realistic and not only roshan khiyaal. See the things that can take you and your nation towards betterment. Agressive attitude specailly from govt can never be appreciated. One more thing what ever i said above , dill par matt lay dost [D]
<br />Dear Coollioness,
Kamran.
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First of all with all apologies, i want to rectify you that i no where said that i live in USA. i said i work in an american firm that can be any where. As far as where do i live is concerned i live in a Muslim country, where we have islamic laws. So i am following islamic laws only. Secondly the salary i am paid is from that Islamic country govt. Because the work we are doing here is basically given to us by govt. Thirdly 75% of my money goes into my bank account that is in Pakistan and there its been used only for the purposes carried out with in pakistan and no where outside.
I do not live in Pakistan doesnt mean that i do not know anything about my country. I am brought up in Pakistan and got all education there.
Now come to the point. I dont know where you are taking this topic. You have hardly answer to what i said. YOu are trying to prove me as an extremist. Well i dont mind untill i am on right.
About the hostages inside, as you very well said that it would be only felt by the people who were waiting outside etc etc..... first of all tell me, why these parents are putting so small kids (3yrs - 10 yrs) in madrissas and their hostels? Dont you think that our parents are just trying to shake off their responsibilities from their shoulders and throwing them on others???? Why my mother never asked us to go to Masjid for Quran kee taaleem? I remember my mother, my father, my naani and my daadi teaching us Quran and telling us the various incidents in islam and Quran. I have been seeing all of my family members from A to Z offering regular prayers and reciting Quran early morning. The point to tell you is that if you will go so deeply in to this matter then everyone is responsible for Lal Masjid and many other sad events directly or indirectly related to Mosques, Ulema's, Deeni Taleem and Muslims as whole. Sab se pehlay tou apnay ghar ka mahol theek karo.
<b>"If u open mindedly and with open eyes study the back ground of creation of Pakistan, u will come to know that this country was not created/founded for mullahism. {do qaumi nazria did not mean to make pakistan only a mullah state}" </b> Mr. my eyes are open (sight is 6/6, recently got checked) and mind is always ready to welcome the incoming traffic, i know what do qoumi nazria was. It no where says Mullahs but it doesnt draw any line betweeen Mullahs and other muslims. It says Muslims as whole. Mullah's are also included. Yeh tou tha aap kee baat ka jawaab. Now tell me why you feel Mullah's from some other part of Universe? You are using word Mullah as Godforbid its an abuse or something. Dont you think you need to open your eyes and mind too????
I am not at all saying that i am in favor of Mullah's or their way of teaching. But Mr. not all fingers are alike. I always opposed the Sakhthi or enforcement in Islamic education practised by some of our Molvies in Mosques. I am only talking about the ones i had seen in my street and i did not liked their way. Its such a soft religion that you do not need to impose it on someone. But sab aik jaise nahin hotay. If talk about Ghazi brothers and their students then i told you that punishment for them was not death. They were not terrorists. Again i will ask you that who knows that they had been trying to talk to govt in peaceful ways. Demand to reconstruct 7 Mosques was not something out of the world demand. If govt can pass budget of 2500 carores to construct a new GHQ in islamabad (which is of no use and not needed) then why not few lacs on mosques? Humari Govt tou Modern Islam laanay ke chakron mein hai. And in this try she is crossing the limits. I dont know but i heard some one telling me that Mr. Musharaf had passed a bill about Zana thats completely against Islam and against the will of Public. I need to study on that so i wont say much on this issue.
I strongly condemned Silence Operation. I wish someday, someone (may be a real terrorist)should kidnap Mr Musharaf and his family and then do Muzakraath with his chamchaas outside. During all these days of Muzakraath, No water, No electricty, No food is provided to him. Then I will see what he and his chamchass (Roshan khiyaal and Patriot Pakistanis) will do to save his life. Then they will accept all jaaiz and najaaiz demands from those terrorists. Or am i wrong??? I wish i could have given this idea to Ghazi brothers [)]
<b>"You are totally ignorant of laws of Pakistan"</b> I have been a student of Political Science. where i have not only read Pakistan Laws and constituition but USA, Britain, Switzerland and some other countries too.
<b>"Constitution gives some extra rights to non muslims and u cannot deny it as I quoted an example in above para. If u will stop it by ur hands then why u dont have courage to stop it in USA where u r earning from them, living on their land, and obeying their laws with all modesty. What a dual policy u people have?" </b> Oh God what are you talking about? I was talking about my home. i said i wont allow any non muslim doing something that can effect or contradict with my believes. LIke if a non muslim lady comes out infront of my family member in some objectionable dress, YEs i am going to tell her that Kinldy do not wear such dress in my home when you are sitting between all of us. do it in your room premises. jahan taq baat hai stop the evil in USA then i do not have any right to do that openly. Thats their country, their laws. Meray aik ke liye sab badalnay se tou rahay. But i can do it in my country. right?
<b>"Secondly, if u deem pakistan as ur country then u are totally wrong and once again u r showing some extremist"</b> Loo jee extremist mein hoowi ke aap. Pakistan is my birth country and you are saying its not mine. Just coz i am against govt silence operation? [(]
<b>At the end, i calrify that law is to be implemented by law enforcers and not be me and u or lal masjid people. Make ur understaing clear please.</b> Do you live in Pakistan? if yes then can you give me one single example of a law thats being really implemented by our Law enforcers?
<b>"I know I cannot change ur mindset as it could have never been changed,"</b> No you are most welcome to try on me with new ideas and showing me things with new angles because i really do have a Roshan Khiyaal mind. I cannot deny the truth [)] But dont mind, my advice, that may be you have to be a little more , i said little more, i know you are already a very open minded person, but still 19 - 20 ka faraq hai, try to be realistic and not only roshan khiyaal. See the things that can take you and your nation towards betterment. Agressive attitude specailly from govt can never be appreciated. One more thing what ever i said above , dill par matt lay dost [D]
