07-30-2007, 09:06 PM
Amir sahib do not think that we are against you or Kamran is against Ulemas. Read his posts he definitely has much respect for Islam and the REAL ulemas. Baat yeh nahin ke koun theek hai, aur koun ghalat. The point of contradiction is to draw a line between Asal Ulema and Naqalee Ulema. Knowing one good Aalim doesnât make all of them good and seeing one bad example doesnât mean that all Aalim's are bad. As usual I have recalled one happening that stayed in news for hardly one or two days, that was a mishap with a 6-7 years old Pathan girl who would go to mosque for Taleem e Quran. The Qaari or Moulvi over there asked her parents that he will give her job in his house as Maid and also would like to teach her there. The pathan family agreed to his proposal as they were extremely poor and needed some financial support. The girl, I think her name was Saima, she started going to that Moulvi's house. It was decided that her house being quite at a distance, she will stay over night at moulvi's house and can see her parents twice in a week. Once itâs so happened that Saima did not appear for whole one week. Her parents got worried that why she did not come to see them in her usual days. So they thought to meet her at Moulvi's house. When they reached there they investigate about their girl from Moulvi Sahib. He replied that she is sleeping upstairs and promised that he will send her to house soon. The parents got suspicious on the way he was telling them the story. They insisted to meet her right away. At this moulvi sahib revealed the bomb news that she got slipped from the stairs last night and died on the spot. The parents ran towards the room upstairs and found their Saima lying dead on the floor. The smell of dead body was all around which was telling that she was dead there from more than a day. Her clothes were dirty with her urine and there was one more dress lying on a side with same dirtiness on it. Her hand fingers were bleeding as her nails were extracted with some tool. Her both thighs had hot iron marks on them and all of her body was stabbed with a thick stick. There were bottles of liquor all around in the room. Believe me that while I was reading that in news paper I could not stop my tears. Mera bas chalta tou ussi waqat uss Moulvi ko exactly ussi tareeqay se marwathi jaisa uss ne uss masoom 7 saal kee bachi ke saath kiya tha. After that day, daily i checked the news paper, to see the Anjaam of that Moulvi, but Saima's news never came in paper after that. No body did anything against that so called Moulvi.
Keeping above in mind I wonât conclude that all Punjabi Moulvies or all Moulvies around Pakistan are corrupt. That would be definitely a stupid thought.
Stating above incident doesnât mean that I am against Moulvi's but I want to tell that there are some black sheep in our society who are wearing the masks of Sharafat, living with us so close , but they have hidden their faces behind the veil of religion. The need is to recognize them. Not all Moulvies, Aalims and Ulema e deen are same. Agar sab ke sab itnay theek hotay aur genuine loug hotay tou masla hi kiya tha? I am sure that the people you are living with, or the Aalims you are taking guidance from, must be really good people. Thatâs why you are opposing Kamran so hard. What Kamran is saying is also right in away if take a look on the Moulviâs as I mentioned above. So please do not fight with each other. You both are right on your places and with your points. But give some place to new ideas too. Keep a positive attitude while listening to each other. Sometime by listening to a person, you suddenly come accross something totally new and different that you might have never thought of before. I am no where saying that we are here to change each otherâs views. But listening to someone with open mind is not a bad thing either.
Everyone over here, including Kamran, Imran, and Amir, all are with same view that Lal Masjid operation was neither a right action from Govt nor from Lal Masjid Intezamia in order to achieve their goals (even if they were on right). We all condemn the killing of 100s of innocents. We all agree that there was some high govt personals or/and agencies and foreign hands involved. We all agree that way of escape chosen by Mr. Aziz cannot be appreciated. Phir laraiee kis baat kee? Itnay sab kuch similar honey ke bawajood, and we are here hardly 4-5 people discussing, agar yeh haal hai ke haath garebaan taq aagaey hain tou how can you expect a peaceful solution from Government and Lal Masjid Intezamia where 100s of people were involved? Shaid yeh humara qoumi massla hai ke humain baat banaani aathi hi nahin, sirf bigarni aathi hai. Aisa hai tou laggay rahoâ¦â¦
And to tell all of you something new is that you all posses a narrow mind. Kamran showed his this characteristic while talking about Pathan Qoum. He thinks all of them are gays, religion freaks, extremists and responsible for all kind of terrorism around the world.
Mr. Imran and Mr. Amir showed their narrow mind when they got so personal with Kamranâs life and also when they do not accept that all Religious People that we see around us are not Doodh ke Dhulay.
Regards
Keeping above in mind I wonât conclude that all Punjabi Moulvies or all Moulvies around Pakistan are corrupt. That would be definitely a stupid thought.
Stating above incident doesnât mean that I am against Moulvi's but I want to tell that there are some black sheep in our society who are wearing the masks of Sharafat, living with us so close , but they have hidden their faces behind the veil of religion. The need is to recognize them. Not all Moulvies, Aalims and Ulema e deen are same. Agar sab ke sab itnay theek hotay aur genuine loug hotay tou masla hi kiya tha? I am sure that the people you are living with, or the Aalims you are taking guidance from, must be really good people. Thatâs why you are opposing Kamran so hard. What Kamran is saying is also right in away if take a look on the Moulviâs as I mentioned above. So please do not fight with each other. You both are right on your places and with your points. But give some place to new ideas too. Keep a positive attitude while listening to each other. Sometime by listening to a person, you suddenly come accross something totally new and different that you might have never thought of before. I am no where saying that we are here to change each otherâs views. But listening to someone with open mind is not a bad thing either.
Everyone over here, including Kamran, Imran, and Amir, all are with same view that Lal Masjid operation was neither a right action from Govt nor from Lal Masjid Intezamia in order to achieve their goals (even if they were on right). We all condemn the killing of 100s of innocents. We all agree that there was some high govt personals or/and agencies and foreign hands involved. We all agree that way of escape chosen by Mr. Aziz cannot be appreciated. Phir laraiee kis baat kee? Itnay sab kuch similar honey ke bawajood, and we are here hardly 4-5 people discussing, agar yeh haal hai ke haath garebaan taq aagaey hain tou how can you expect a peaceful solution from Government and Lal Masjid Intezamia where 100s of people were involved? Shaid yeh humara qoumi massla hai ke humain baat banaani aathi hi nahin, sirf bigarni aathi hai. Aisa hai tou laggay rahoâ¦â¦
And to tell all of you something new is that you all posses a narrow mind. Kamran showed his this characteristic while talking about Pathan Qoum. He thinks all of them are gays, religion freaks, extremists and responsible for all kind of terrorism around the world.
Mr. Imran and Mr. Amir showed their narrow mind when they got so personal with Kamranâs life and also when they do not accept that all Religious People that we see around us are not Doodh ke Dhulay.
Regards