07-30-2007, 11:23 PM
Dear Coollioness,
I no where said that you are the one who exclaim the things about this nation. I never talk about dividing my nation. I never wanted to disheart or degrade any nation. I agreed to you that good and bad exist every where. My point was only to say that we should not mention or prefer any specific nation over the other just becoz of our own conclusions without seeing what is going on in that specific society.
I know cases like Mukhtaran Maai had happened in Punjab but we normally dont take pride that people living in this specific area are very noble and are better than others. The only comments about my own nation were becoz generally so many of us conclude that they are very much islamic. I know they are very strict on some issues of Namaz and Roza but in general dealings, in spreading drugs, sexual perversions, decieving the others, keeping their kids away from education, always quarreling on tiny issues, involving theirselves in smuggling, always talking about being deprived of without making special efforts, unfairly and illegally trading the ammunition etc etc are those issues which they normally do not generally consider inappropriate in their own culture. I dont appreciate killing of any one by any one without any reason and without invoking justice, if there is any such allegation on any one living in any area of Pakistan.
The people of NWFP in general feel theirselves the only gaurdians of Islam and many of them (NOT ALL) take the others as DUSHMANAAN-E-DEEN. You can simply compare the behaviours of Ulema of NWFP with other parts of Pakistan. The main reason you have already assessed at your own is the lack of education. I agreed that government should enhance facilities and education oppurtunities in these areas so that illiteracy could be reduced.
What I said was a reality based upon research papers which are also available on internet. I did not mention any ratio in my posts. I also know that gay clubs and brothels also exist in Karachi and Lahore. I never denied the truth. However, we dont give such a priority or emphasis to the people living at Karachi and Lahore as much we give to the people living in NWFP. The majority of the Pakistanies are Muslims. Majority has fear of Allah and are moderatly good muslims. Some are really at the level of WALAAIT. So many ULEMA-e-KARAM are of course included in this category of muslims. I have full respect for all the noble men of Allah wherever they live and whether or not known to me. May God always bless them and make us to follow them.
I dont have any pride for myself or claim for myself for being better than any one else. I feel myself a sinful human who always seek forgivness from ALLAH and who request for prayers to all his muslim brothers for his improvement. This is by no way a proud statement. My problem is that so many times my ideas are interpretted wrongly. This discussion was started about the extremists who are involved in bomb attacks and who are basically related to NWFP. This specific category was covered in our initial discussion and my comments were mainly about them. The discussion of pathan qoum as a whole was to show the piture of bads in NWFP that is normally considered the fort of Islam in Pakistan. Of course I agree to you that all the population is not bad. Good and bad exist in every society. We have to base our conclusions keeping our steps on the mid ways. I offer my regrets for anything where I appeared to be one sided but actually I never made my mindset to become irrational. If you feel hurt from my comments about pathan qoum you should also know that I am also pathan like you. However, I dont want to push up my nation just becoz of qoum parasti. Here I dont think you as a qoum parast so dont take it in wrong means. We should talk justifyably without favoring any one.
Still, if you are hurt, being your basic human right, I offer my regrets to you. But please never talk about division of our nation. We can fight, we can be harsh with each other, we can differ in opinions, but we are brothers and sisters and we have to live altogether for ever. I normally dont become personalized with others as I know that eventually we are brothers and sisters and any dispute is just like our disputes in a home. We cannot and should not divide our home.
Best regards,
Kamran.
I no where said that you are the one who exclaim the things about this nation. I never talk about dividing my nation. I never wanted to disheart or degrade any nation. I agreed to you that good and bad exist every where. My point was only to say that we should not mention or prefer any specific nation over the other just becoz of our own conclusions without seeing what is going on in that specific society.
I know cases like Mukhtaran Maai had happened in Punjab but we normally dont take pride that people living in this specific area are very noble and are better than others. The only comments about my own nation were becoz generally so many of us conclude that they are very much islamic. I know they are very strict on some issues of Namaz and Roza but in general dealings, in spreading drugs, sexual perversions, decieving the others, keeping their kids away from education, always quarreling on tiny issues, involving theirselves in smuggling, always talking about being deprived of without making special efforts, unfairly and illegally trading the ammunition etc etc are those issues which they normally do not generally consider inappropriate in their own culture. I dont appreciate killing of any one by any one without any reason and without invoking justice, if there is any such allegation on any one living in any area of Pakistan.
The people of NWFP in general feel theirselves the only gaurdians of Islam and many of them (NOT ALL) take the others as DUSHMANAAN-E-DEEN. You can simply compare the behaviours of Ulema of NWFP with other parts of Pakistan. The main reason you have already assessed at your own is the lack of education. I agreed that government should enhance facilities and education oppurtunities in these areas so that illiteracy could be reduced.
What I said was a reality based upon research papers which are also available on internet. I did not mention any ratio in my posts. I also know that gay clubs and brothels also exist in Karachi and Lahore. I never denied the truth. However, we dont give such a priority or emphasis to the people living at Karachi and Lahore as much we give to the people living in NWFP. The majority of the Pakistanies are Muslims. Majority has fear of Allah and are moderatly good muslims. Some are really at the level of WALAAIT. So many ULEMA-e-KARAM are of course included in this category of muslims. I have full respect for all the noble men of Allah wherever they live and whether or not known to me. May God always bless them and make us to follow them.
I dont have any pride for myself or claim for myself for being better than any one else. I feel myself a sinful human who always seek forgivness from ALLAH and who request for prayers to all his muslim brothers for his improvement. This is by no way a proud statement. My problem is that so many times my ideas are interpretted wrongly. This discussion was started about the extremists who are involved in bomb attacks and who are basically related to NWFP. This specific category was covered in our initial discussion and my comments were mainly about them. The discussion of pathan qoum as a whole was to show the piture of bads in NWFP that is normally considered the fort of Islam in Pakistan. Of course I agree to you that all the population is not bad. Good and bad exist in every society. We have to base our conclusions keeping our steps on the mid ways. I offer my regrets for anything where I appeared to be one sided but actually I never made my mindset to become irrational. If you feel hurt from my comments about pathan qoum you should also know that I am also pathan like you. However, I dont want to push up my nation just becoz of qoum parasti. Here I dont think you as a qoum parast so dont take it in wrong means. We should talk justifyably without favoring any one.
Still, if you are hurt, being your basic human right, I offer my regrets to you. But please never talk about division of our nation. We can fight, we can be harsh with each other, we can differ in opinions, but we are brothers and sisters and we have to live altogether for ever. I normally dont become personalized with others as I know that eventually we are brothers and sisters and any dispute is just like our disputes in a home. We cannot and should not divide our home.
Best regards,
Kamran.
