08-01-2007, 08:10 PM
Dear,
I dont have any personal enemity with you, with Shumali Ittehad people or with Talibans. I always have differences on points of principles. The priciples, of course which appeal to my human mind. At the same time I dont have any claim for perfection since I am also a sinful human.
I had and have never been in favour of killings of human beings. I know AIK INSAAN KAA QATAL SAARI INSAANIYET KAA QATAL HAI. If you check the history you will see that utmost bloodshed in the history has been done on the name of religion. Even before Islam and even after Islam. I agree that political reasons and an effort of increasing the controlled area also contributed in such killings but if we thoroughly analyze the human psyche and human history, we will come to know that maximum killings have ever been done for religious purposes.
Still, today we can see that we dont have any forebearance among us in religious matters. We exclaim that we are not the leaseholders of our religion and every one who is a human being (and in the matter of Islamic discussion, is a muslim) should have a basic democratic right to express his view. Even then we cannot hold our minds and tounges on the issues related to religion. We declare so manys as non-muslim. I dont support anything to the contrary but except for the matter of declaring qadiyanies as non-muslims, that was done moderately by an approximate of Ijmah-e-Ummat, we have divided ourselves into so many sects and beliefs and have never reached a point of common conclusion (Ijmah-e-Ummat) and each of the sect calls the other sect as non-muslim. Even in the matter of declaring qadiyanies as non-muslim there emerged a situation where our Ulemas had to define the term MUSLIM. You must know what happened at that time. If not, one should see the records of proceedings of this particular event of 1974. As per various definitions put forward by various sect Ulemas, every other sect was not covered in the definition of MUSLIM. It was our hard luck at that time and it is still our hard luck. It was Bhutto's wisdom and advanced thinking which resolved the issues and passing through a very difficult situation of collaborating all Ulemas on one point he strived for the conclusion.
So it had ever been our problem that without any IJMAH-E-UMMAT our various sects have been declaring each other as KAFIR. SHIA SUNNI fasadaat are an example of it. We cannot so far eliminate this fight among two brothers of same religion. It is the most hard luck. We dont ever try to listen and understand the other in his idealogy. This is not alone your problem Mr. Amir. This also is the case with me and every one else. We never reached a common conclusion point anywhere in the history.
As far as the report narrated by you is concerned, I must say that I have a very different viewpoint that collides with the very initial paragraphs you have mentioned. How can I go along the report with which I cannot agree even at the outset irrespective of whoever has written it and whatever had been his intentions and purposes. It goes
QUOTE
"Centuries of long standing Islamic traditions in Afghanistan were in danger of being pushed aside when the soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979."
UNQUOTE
Afghanistan ever had Afghani traditions and not the Islamic traditions. I must make this point clear to you. For God sake understand it. No country has Islamic or non-islamic traditions normally. Traditions are particular to specific areas, its customs, its logics, its life style and its own history and society. If you see guns in hands of Afghans, it is their own culture and must not be called the Islamic culture. Their kids even know how to fire various guns. I am from a Pathan family basically migrated from Afghanistan. Our kids and females know how to fire various guns and are normally very much master of this tradition. I was able to fire all guns normally visible in the society when I was in sixth class. We (my father, uncles and other family members) had have so many licensed guns made of different countries and every kid of our family in that time was taught how to use them. It is our tradition and has nothing to do with Islamic studies, Islamic teachings and Islamic traditions.
QUOTE
"Ignoring Tribal and ethnic diversity the soviets ran roughshod over Afghanistan sensitivities by insisting on sweeping changes that included stripping women of the viel,requiring women to work outside of the home,Imposing literacy and instituting sweeping land reform.The Afghan Muslim response was to decleare JEHAD to cast out the Infidel(KUFFAR) from their borders.Afghans were spirited fighters because they saw their cause as a holy mandate."
UNQUOTE
I am not against taking veil if any one prefers it but as I have already clarified my viewpoint, in my opinion it is not a stipulation or condition in the light of code of ethics laid down in SOORAH-E-NOOR. However, no one was forcibly snatching the veils in Afghanistan. A few instances cannot be quoted as a fashion of the day. As far as the rape case the report specifies, one must know that the crimes are always the part of various societies and not a single country in the world could have stopped them and ruled out them totally. This was not even stopped in Taliban regime. However, they have killed so manys for such allegations where such killings were again not as per the standards of justice laid down by the advanced human approach and even purely as per Islamic approach.
The above quoted para of the report narated by you speaks about requiring women to work outside of the home,Imposing literacy and instituting sweeping land reform. In my view there was no forced labor from women, literacy must have been imposed and promoted and land reforms is the issue where every country has developed its own procedures and rules as per the need of its culture. Nothing in whole this first paragraph of report was against any islamic thought. This is the main difference with which I at the outset dont agree.
This was the first thing with which I can never agree.
I must say that Shumali Ittehad people were not the pure ones. I dont support their style of ruling where they were killing the innocents. Like-wise Talibans tenure is also not appreciable in my eyes as they had touched the peaks of rigidity. This has also been agreed in the report you have mentioned. This report states
"Living examples of their qualities they developed through years of disiplined study in the RIGID MADERSSA SYSTEM."
Whatever qualities in one eyes they had developed but their basic frame of idealogy was based upon the peaks of rigidity as has been mentioned.
Report states
"They are products of religious madrassas in pakistan whose roots go back to the DAR-UL-ULOOM(Seminary) in DEOBAND, India.Their history makes the Taliban inclined to organize themselves around regional associations rather than political parties".
I disagree to this para to a little extent. They might have been educated in Deobandi Madrissas but they were infact developed by some hidden hand and they were ultimately creating reasons for USA to penetrate in Afghanistan owing to its so-called security threats caused by Talibans. They indirectly worked for the cause of USA, specially Usama Bin Laden and his fellows. This was a product of the manufacturer and not of the DARULALOOM or deobandi concept.
Report states
"Religious edicts are believed to have a divine source so they carry more authority in this society than humanitarian law that stress individual freedoms.The purpose of government is to be a reflection of the divine will(as interpreted by DEOBANDI SCHOLARS),not a guardian of individual rights and liberties as insisted upon by the west."
This is in my view an effort to defame Islam by this Farangie and is no where in favour of muslims and in favour of Islam. This appears to be an effort to show us backward and illetrate. Divine will no where restricts us to make human laws and behave humanly on issues of general life. A human isolatedly cannot define the divine will as per his own idea. This way every one's idea about divine will would be different and there would be created so many gods for various school of thoughts. Ultimately humans have to get their desipline as per their own laws, rules and regulation. Just see the traffic system. This is no where available as per divine will as divine will has nothing to do with it. It was human's requirement and was made to meet his requirement. Every human development is for its needs and the participation of divine will in such developments is that the divine will gave the human a mind and wisdom to do so. Therefore, defining the divine will as per only one sect's (deoband) belief is totally dishonesty with general mankind. If one can understand it.
Another para of report states
"When the soviets left in defeat in 1989 a provisional Islamist government, the mujahedin(worriors of GOD[JO BAD KAY SHUMALI ETIHAD BANAY]) was put in place with the help of the U.N. and U.S. These afghan warriors, steeped in the Deobandi religious tradition were critical of a government that proclaimed the name of Islam but had a strong relationship with the U.S., and U.N.,the soviet Union and in some cases,India."
Just steeping in deobandi school of though may not be deemed as critical to Islam. I dont support Shumali Ittehad as I know who they were, but it would be injustice with all muslims of Afghanistan if the strict deobandi thoughts would be declared as the only Islam to be followed in Afghanistan.
I know my objections on this report will not be understandable for you. I dont seek any guidance from you to understand this report as I have a difference of opinon with basic creation point of Talibans against other whatever power governing the Afghanistan.
The basic point is still that we have so many sects and in the eyes of one sect all the doings of others are UN and US derived and should have been replaced by the thoughts of the objecting sect. Every sect feels itself as purest muslim having all the followable advises and education. No one wants to bring the muslims on a single plate farm. No one has the pain for his other brothers and sisters. This has since been destroying us and if we will not mend our ways, it will again destroy it. I have already mentioned that for God's Islam we are not a condition. God can create very better muslims from the Yahood-o-Nasara after destroying us all.
I seek forgiveness from ALLAH for all my wrong deeds and wish all muslims to get on to a common platefarm without indulging theirselves in Shia , Sunni , Ehal-e-Hadees , Deobandi and other such sects.
May God help all muslims in this era of difficulty.
I will at the end again mention that prosperity, power and control will never come in our hands unless we strive for education, social, financial, economial and technical development. We are hundreds of years behind the advanced nations and we have to bring ourselves equal to them if we wish to have any comparison.
I once again support the idea of equally educating our girls and boosting up their courage to get education and contribute in country's development. Since I know you will not agree to this point so I must mention that this point is only for those who can understand it.
Best regards,
Kamran
I dont have any personal enemity with you, with Shumali Ittehad people or with Talibans. I always have differences on points of principles. The priciples, of course which appeal to my human mind. At the same time I dont have any claim for perfection since I am also a sinful human.
I had and have never been in favour of killings of human beings. I know AIK INSAAN KAA QATAL SAARI INSAANIYET KAA QATAL HAI. If you check the history you will see that utmost bloodshed in the history has been done on the name of religion. Even before Islam and even after Islam. I agree that political reasons and an effort of increasing the controlled area also contributed in such killings but if we thoroughly analyze the human psyche and human history, we will come to know that maximum killings have ever been done for religious purposes.
Still, today we can see that we dont have any forebearance among us in religious matters. We exclaim that we are not the leaseholders of our religion and every one who is a human being (and in the matter of Islamic discussion, is a muslim) should have a basic democratic right to express his view. Even then we cannot hold our minds and tounges on the issues related to religion. We declare so manys as non-muslim. I dont support anything to the contrary but except for the matter of declaring qadiyanies as non-muslims, that was done moderately by an approximate of Ijmah-e-Ummat, we have divided ourselves into so many sects and beliefs and have never reached a point of common conclusion (Ijmah-e-Ummat) and each of the sect calls the other sect as non-muslim. Even in the matter of declaring qadiyanies as non-muslim there emerged a situation where our Ulemas had to define the term MUSLIM. You must know what happened at that time. If not, one should see the records of proceedings of this particular event of 1974. As per various definitions put forward by various sect Ulemas, every other sect was not covered in the definition of MUSLIM. It was our hard luck at that time and it is still our hard luck. It was Bhutto's wisdom and advanced thinking which resolved the issues and passing through a very difficult situation of collaborating all Ulemas on one point he strived for the conclusion.
So it had ever been our problem that without any IJMAH-E-UMMAT our various sects have been declaring each other as KAFIR. SHIA SUNNI fasadaat are an example of it. We cannot so far eliminate this fight among two brothers of same religion. It is the most hard luck. We dont ever try to listen and understand the other in his idealogy. This is not alone your problem Mr. Amir. This also is the case with me and every one else. We never reached a common conclusion point anywhere in the history.
As far as the report narrated by you is concerned, I must say that I have a very different viewpoint that collides with the very initial paragraphs you have mentioned. How can I go along the report with which I cannot agree even at the outset irrespective of whoever has written it and whatever had been his intentions and purposes. It goes
QUOTE
"Centuries of long standing Islamic traditions in Afghanistan were in danger of being pushed aside when the soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979."
UNQUOTE
Afghanistan ever had Afghani traditions and not the Islamic traditions. I must make this point clear to you. For God sake understand it. No country has Islamic or non-islamic traditions normally. Traditions are particular to specific areas, its customs, its logics, its life style and its own history and society. If you see guns in hands of Afghans, it is their own culture and must not be called the Islamic culture. Their kids even know how to fire various guns. I am from a Pathan family basically migrated from Afghanistan. Our kids and females know how to fire various guns and are normally very much master of this tradition. I was able to fire all guns normally visible in the society when I was in sixth class. We (my father, uncles and other family members) had have so many licensed guns made of different countries and every kid of our family in that time was taught how to use them. It is our tradition and has nothing to do with Islamic studies, Islamic teachings and Islamic traditions.
QUOTE
"Ignoring Tribal and ethnic diversity the soviets ran roughshod over Afghanistan sensitivities by insisting on sweeping changes that included stripping women of the viel,requiring women to work outside of the home,Imposing literacy and instituting sweeping land reform.The Afghan Muslim response was to decleare JEHAD to cast out the Infidel(KUFFAR) from their borders.Afghans were spirited fighters because they saw their cause as a holy mandate."
UNQUOTE
I am not against taking veil if any one prefers it but as I have already clarified my viewpoint, in my opinion it is not a stipulation or condition in the light of code of ethics laid down in SOORAH-E-NOOR. However, no one was forcibly snatching the veils in Afghanistan. A few instances cannot be quoted as a fashion of the day. As far as the rape case the report specifies, one must know that the crimes are always the part of various societies and not a single country in the world could have stopped them and ruled out them totally. This was not even stopped in Taliban regime. However, they have killed so manys for such allegations where such killings were again not as per the standards of justice laid down by the advanced human approach and even purely as per Islamic approach.
The above quoted para of the report narated by you speaks about requiring women to work outside of the home,Imposing literacy and instituting sweeping land reform. In my view there was no forced labor from women, literacy must have been imposed and promoted and land reforms is the issue where every country has developed its own procedures and rules as per the need of its culture. Nothing in whole this first paragraph of report was against any islamic thought. This is the main difference with which I at the outset dont agree.
This was the first thing with which I can never agree.
I must say that Shumali Ittehad people were not the pure ones. I dont support their style of ruling where they were killing the innocents. Like-wise Talibans tenure is also not appreciable in my eyes as they had touched the peaks of rigidity. This has also been agreed in the report you have mentioned. This report states
"Living examples of their qualities they developed through years of disiplined study in the RIGID MADERSSA SYSTEM."
Whatever qualities in one eyes they had developed but their basic frame of idealogy was based upon the peaks of rigidity as has been mentioned.
Report states
"They are products of religious madrassas in pakistan whose roots go back to the DAR-UL-ULOOM(Seminary) in DEOBAND, India.Their history makes the Taliban inclined to organize themselves around regional associations rather than political parties".
I disagree to this para to a little extent. They might have been educated in Deobandi Madrissas but they were infact developed by some hidden hand and they were ultimately creating reasons for USA to penetrate in Afghanistan owing to its so-called security threats caused by Talibans. They indirectly worked for the cause of USA, specially Usama Bin Laden and his fellows. This was a product of the manufacturer and not of the DARULALOOM or deobandi concept.
Report states
"Religious edicts are believed to have a divine source so they carry more authority in this society than humanitarian law that stress individual freedoms.The purpose of government is to be a reflection of the divine will(as interpreted by DEOBANDI SCHOLARS),not a guardian of individual rights and liberties as insisted upon by the west."
This is in my view an effort to defame Islam by this Farangie and is no where in favour of muslims and in favour of Islam. This appears to be an effort to show us backward and illetrate. Divine will no where restricts us to make human laws and behave humanly on issues of general life. A human isolatedly cannot define the divine will as per his own idea. This way every one's idea about divine will would be different and there would be created so many gods for various school of thoughts. Ultimately humans have to get their desipline as per their own laws, rules and regulation. Just see the traffic system. This is no where available as per divine will as divine will has nothing to do with it. It was human's requirement and was made to meet his requirement. Every human development is for its needs and the participation of divine will in such developments is that the divine will gave the human a mind and wisdom to do so. Therefore, defining the divine will as per only one sect's (deoband) belief is totally dishonesty with general mankind. If one can understand it.
Another para of report states
"When the soviets left in defeat in 1989 a provisional Islamist government, the mujahedin(worriors of GOD[JO BAD KAY SHUMALI ETIHAD BANAY]) was put in place with the help of the U.N. and U.S. These afghan warriors, steeped in the Deobandi religious tradition were critical of a government that proclaimed the name of Islam but had a strong relationship with the U.S., and U.N.,the soviet Union and in some cases,India."
Just steeping in deobandi school of though may not be deemed as critical to Islam. I dont support Shumali Ittehad as I know who they were, but it would be injustice with all muslims of Afghanistan if the strict deobandi thoughts would be declared as the only Islam to be followed in Afghanistan.
I know my objections on this report will not be understandable for you. I dont seek any guidance from you to understand this report as I have a difference of opinon with basic creation point of Talibans against other whatever power governing the Afghanistan.
The basic point is still that we have so many sects and in the eyes of one sect all the doings of others are UN and US derived and should have been replaced by the thoughts of the objecting sect. Every sect feels itself as purest muslim having all the followable advises and education. No one wants to bring the muslims on a single plate farm. No one has the pain for his other brothers and sisters. This has since been destroying us and if we will not mend our ways, it will again destroy it. I have already mentioned that for God's Islam we are not a condition. God can create very better muslims from the Yahood-o-Nasara after destroying us all.
I seek forgiveness from ALLAH for all my wrong deeds and wish all muslims to get on to a common platefarm without indulging theirselves in Shia , Sunni , Ehal-e-Hadees , Deobandi and other such sects.
May God help all muslims in this era of difficulty.
I will at the end again mention that prosperity, power and control will never come in our hands unless we strive for education, social, financial, economial and technical development. We are hundreds of years behind the advanced nations and we have to bring ourselves equal to them if we wish to have any comparison.
I once again support the idea of equally educating our girls and boosting up their courage to get education and contribute in country's development. Since I know you will not agree to this point so I must mention that this point is only for those who can understand it.
Best regards,
Kamran
