08-02-2007, 05:00 PM
Dear Amir,
Infact whatever Shoaib has written had a basic theme that every one here on this forum is independent of other's idealogy. One must not be attaked on or defamed for his thinkings on general life issues. One can write down here any aspect of general life keeping his words within the moral boundries.
I support the idea of Shaoib that this is a general sub-forum and is basically for generalized matters to be discussed for common knowledge and understanding. If some one had changed the title of his thread due to your request or after feeling it a little bit immoral, it must be deemed as his greatness since you are not the sole authority to judge the suitability of any message posted here. This is the responsibility of Admin.
However, if we altogether feel something odd we can request Admin to discuss the issue with the member so that the problem could be peacefully resolved without losing any respected member's future valuable contributions. I have not probably gone through the thread you are mentioning, but still I feel if some one was discusisng the issue of spredaing of lewdness or call girls or brothels, it is not a taboo and should be discussed as a negative facet of any city's common society. This may help out lots of people (who might not be knowing the facts) to save their youngers from such evils.
You appear to be a HADEES reader or learner, you must know that so many negative facets of society were commonly discussed by Sahaba-e-Karam Rizwanullah with the Prophet Peace Be Upon Him for guidance purpose and to know the pros and cons. If these were not to be known or to be inquired or to be discussed how they were supposed to get the benefits of immense NOOR of knowledge of the Prophet Peace Be Upon Him on every aspect of life. Even such issues have been quoted in Hadees books, which we normally dont discuss in front of our new generation. When I read SAHI BUKHARI first time, it shaked so much in my mind and broke so many idols created in my ideas by the SEENA-BA-SEENA ILAM transferred to us from common maulvies.
Once you also discussed about course contents of A-level or O-level regarding stories including vulgerity (in your views) and indian traditions. I told you that we have to make the new generation a mature and responsible citizen and teaching these all things with proper guidance would be more beneficial to tell them what is wrong and what is right. For example, if the youth (specially in uprising age) would not know about AIDS, it would be more dangerous for us. So many among us criticise the adds appearing in tv about AIDS. This is just like the issue for quoting difrent punishments for ZANA, depriving the invalid child borne due to zana from all rights of inheritence (the rules to which our society accepts very openly) but then do not producing or laying down any code of life or solution for the protection, growth, and brought up of invalid childern who dont come to this world with their wish and endeavor. There is no solution and none of our AALIMS has ever made a reason to find out its solution. By ignoring this can we deny the fact that so many invalid childern still get borne in even Islamic countries. We dont have solution for them except leaving them to death or making them LA-WARIS. This is ridiculous. And if some one will discuss it, some of these Ulemas declare him what not and what not. I salute the persons like Edhi Sahib and Ansar Barni Sahib for their best efforts to rescue the humanity. None of the Ulemas can get such a salute. Can they???????????????
Basically we always think negatively. We always try to find things of satisfaction for our inside evil and wherever we see such a thing we get alert that it must not be tranformed and known to our kids.Please come out of these thousand years old caves and see the outside world. It is much better than those caves and tora bora mountains. Diversified knowledge, general information, proper brought up, looking forward approach, accepting the challenges of life and knowing every good and bad very deeply will always help to develope a more mature, sensible and responsible generation than us. You might never be able to understand it. May God help you.
Dear Shoaib,
This man Mr. Amir, more oftenly loses his senses like a mature citizen and attacks on others much more personally just forgetting about the purpose of this forum which provides equal rights to every one to express his valid views. He allegs the others that by posting their views every one is forcing his views on him. I was very suspecious about the strength of his faith and his wisdom that how one's views can be forced on him or any body else. How one's faith could be so weak. But he always deems it so. He oftenly seeks forgiveness for his doings subsequently when he comes back in his senses. I have left feeling bad of any of his vulgarity as it is in his nature. Please dont mind his words as he oftenly goes out of his senses and any thing posted by him in such mental situation should not affect the other. You can check out my example.
He also forgets the HADESS that if some one abuses the other or his parents, and the other keeps quite without throwing such an abuse in response, then such an abuse automatically comes back to him personally or to his parents. He must check this hadees and mend his mentality, if he believes in AHADEES.
Still, he is our brother and I always feel pain for him. May God be with him and show him a correct path and give him proper wisdom and faith. This is a prayer and would be the best what we can offer to our brothers and sisters. I seek same prayer from any one , if he/she desires to pray for me.
Best regards,
Kamran.
Infact whatever Shoaib has written had a basic theme that every one here on this forum is independent of other's idealogy. One must not be attaked on or defamed for his thinkings on general life issues. One can write down here any aspect of general life keeping his words within the moral boundries.
I support the idea of Shaoib that this is a general sub-forum and is basically for generalized matters to be discussed for common knowledge and understanding. If some one had changed the title of his thread due to your request or after feeling it a little bit immoral, it must be deemed as his greatness since you are not the sole authority to judge the suitability of any message posted here. This is the responsibility of Admin.
However, if we altogether feel something odd we can request Admin to discuss the issue with the member so that the problem could be peacefully resolved without losing any respected member's future valuable contributions. I have not probably gone through the thread you are mentioning, but still I feel if some one was discusisng the issue of spredaing of lewdness or call girls or brothels, it is not a taboo and should be discussed as a negative facet of any city's common society. This may help out lots of people (who might not be knowing the facts) to save their youngers from such evils.
You appear to be a HADEES reader or learner, you must know that so many negative facets of society were commonly discussed by Sahaba-e-Karam Rizwanullah with the Prophet Peace Be Upon Him for guidance purpose and to know the pros and cons. If these were not to be known or to be inquired or to be discussed how they were supposed to get the benefits of immense NOOR of knowledge of the Prophet Peace Be Upon Him on every aspect of life. Even such issues have been quoted in Hadees books, which we normally dont discuss in front of our new generation. When I read SAHI BUKHARI first time, it shaked so much in my mind and broke so many idols created in my ideas by the SEENA-BA-SEENA ILAM transferred to us from common maulvies.
Once you also discussed about course contents of A-level or O-level regarding stories including vulgerity (in your views) and indian traditions. I told you that we have to make the new generation a mature and responsible citizen and teaching these all things with proper guidance would be more beneficial to tell them what is wrong and what is right. For example, if the youth (specially in uprising age) would not know about AIDS, it would be more dangerous for us. So many among us criticise the adds appearing in tv about AIDS. This is just like the issue for quoting difrent punishments for ZANA, depriving the invalid child borne due to zana from all rights of inheritence (the rules to which our society accepts very openly) but then do not producing or laying down any code of life or solution for the protection, growth, and brought up of invalid childern who dont come to this world with their wish and endeavor. There is no solution and none of our AALIMS has ever made a reason to find out its solution. By ignoring this can we deny the fact that so many invalid childern still get borne in even Islamic countries. We dont have solution for them except leaving them to death or making them LA-WARIS. This is ridiculous. And if some one will discuss it, some of these Ulemas declare him what not and what not. I salute the persons like Edhi Sahib and Ansar Barni Sahib for their best efforts to rescue the humanity. None of the Ulemas can get such a salute. Can they???????????????
Basically we always think negatively. We always try to find things of satisfaction for our inside evil and wherever we see such a thing we get alert that it must not be tranformed and known to our kids.Please come out of these thousand years old caves and see the outside world. It is much better than those caves and tora bora mountains. Diversified knowledge, general information, proper brought up, looking forward approach, accepting the challenges of life and knowing every good and bad very deeply will always help to develope a more mature, sensible and responsible generation than us. You might never be able to understand it. May God help you.
Dear Shoaib,
This man Mr. Amir, more oftenly loses his senses like a mature citizen and attacks on others much more personally just forgetting about the purpose of this forum which provides equal rights to every one to express his valid views. He allegs the others that by posting their views every one is forcing his views on him. I was very suspecious about the strength of his faith and his wisdom that how one's views can be forced on him or any body else. How one's faith could be so weak. But he always deems it so. He oftenly seeks forgiveness for his doings subsequently when he comes back in his senses. I have left feeling bad of any of his vulgarity as it is in his nature. Please dont mind his words as he oftenly goes out of his senses and any thing posted by him in such mental situation should not affect the other. You can check out my example.
He also forgets the HADESS that if some one abuses the other or his parents, and the other keeps quite without throwing such an abuse in response, then such an abuse automatically comes back to him personally or to his parents. He must check this hadees and mend his mentality, if he believes in AHADEES.
Still, he is our brother and I always feel pain for him. May God be with him and show him a correct path and give him proper wisdom and faith. This is a prayer and would be the best what we can offer to our brothers and sisters. I seek same prayer from any one , if he/she desires to pray for me.
Best regards,
Kamran.
