08-27-2007, 06:52 AM
Dear,
There had been cases of denying to give NOCs which were attended by ICAP very well. Can u plz let me know of any case of Objection Certificate? Can you give the reference of any section of Chartered Accountants Ordinance or Bye laws providing for the possibility of Objection Certificate? If by any means it has to happen, it will never be easier. In all such cases ICAP intervenes and hears both parties and then give the decision. It's ICAP's decision which prevails. It would be addition to my knowledge if you prove ur statement as I required above.
Had there been a single case in the history of Pakistan where any objection has been added in the period completion certificate? Would any employer ask for a copy of period completion certficate when you apply for a job with full or partial qualification? Practically speaking it is for the record of ICAP and is not normally added to the CVs and application documents of a qualified professional.
Termination cannot be done so easily. ICAP always intervenes and we have seen instances of justice. It is not that easier.
Student principal relationship is based upon an agreement and if it is breached, this agreement can be terminated. However, it is not that easier Shoaib. Note my words and tell me a single case where it had happen in innocent student's case. One of my student got exam leaves and left Pakistan for a job in UAE without informing me. Even then I did not terminate the trainning agreement. Rather I obtained from him an application for NOC through mail and issued him NOC instead of terminating his contract. It was an easier solution for me.
I wonder of which world you are talking. Had I not completed articleship from Pakistan. I wonder how students persume such ideas.
Firms should never have any interest in retaining any of students without his will. As far as work is concerned I had ever been of opinion that work makes a professional gold. And whoever feels the work as burden on his-self never finds the targets so easily. I can never call it exploitation. In my view, we join firms to learn and to get the greater / tougher and enormous oppurtunities to learn and we should look on them as a blessing. Note my words. You will recall these words in your life on various occussions. I have seen guys who were qualified, article completed, on fresh jobs with big tags but who were learning on-job works from their clerks. I remember a man who is now financial controller of a biggest insurance concern. When he came to his first job (in some other company), he was learning how to account for store consumption vouchers with reference to cost centers for monthly accounts purposes from clerks. Of course this did not make him worst than a clerk but it was quite disgracing.
I once before said that the profession is mafia. It is not so easy to do every thing as annoyed young generation with own will and methodology. MAUJ HAI DARYA MAIN AUR BAIROON-E-DARYA KUCH NAHI. I have seen instances where people took NOCs and then remained much behind than their targets. They could have been much better in their original position, had they been developed some acceptability. However, I am not talking about rare cases.
Hope you can understand.
Best regards,
Kamran.
There had been cases of denying to give NOCs which were attended by ICAP very well. Can u plz let me know of any case of Objection Certificate? Can you give the reference of any section of Chartered Accountants Ordinance or Bye laws providing for the possibility of Objection Certificate? If by any means it has to happen, it will never be easier. In all such cases ICAP intervenes and hears both parties and then give the decision. It's ICAP's decision which prevails. It would be addition to my knowledge if you prove ur statement as I required above.
Had there been a single case in the history of Pakistan where any objection has been added in the period completion certificate? Would any employer ask for a copy of period completion certficate when you apply for a job with full or partial qualification? Practically speaking it is for the record of ICAP and is not normally added to the CVs and application documents of a qualified professional.
Termination cannot be done so easily. ICAP always intervenes and we have seen instances of justice. It is not that easier.
Student principal relationship is based upon an agreement and if it is breached, this agreement can be terminated. However, it is not that easier Shoaib. Note my words and tell me a single case where it had happen in innocent student's case. One of my student got exam leaves and left Pakistan for a job in UAE without informing me. Even then I did not terminate the trainning agreement. Rather I obtained from him an application for NOC through mail and issued him NOC instead of terminating his contract. It was an easier solution for me.
I wonder of which world you are talking. Had I not completed articleship from Pakistan. I wonder how students persume such ideas.
Firms should never have any interest in retaining any of students without his will. As far as work is concerned I had ever been of opinion that work makes a professional gold. And whoever feels the work as burden on his-self never finds the targets so easily. I can never call it exploitation. In my view, we join firms to learn and to get the greater / tougher and enormous oppurtunities to learn and we should look on them as a blessing. Note my words. You will recall these words in your life on various occussions. I have seen guys who were qualified, article completed, on fresh jobs with big tags but who were learning on-job works from their clerks. I remember a man who is now financial controller of a biggest insurance concern. When he came to his first job (in some other company), he was learning how to account for store consumption vouchers with reference to cost centers for monthly accounts purposes from clerks. Of course this did not make him worst than a clerk but it was quite disgracing.
I once before said that the profession is mafia. It is not so easy to do every thing as annoyed young generation with own will and methodology. MAUJ HAI DARYA MAIN AUR BAIROON-E-DARYA KUCH NAHI. I have seen instances where people took NOCs and then remained much behind than their targets. They could have been much better in their original position, had they been developed some acceptability. However, I am not talking about rare cases.
Hope you can understand.
Best regards,
Kamran.
