09-22-2007, 06:36 PM
Dear Shoaib,
It had never been an objective to send some one's mind on seventh sky or eslewhere. I only praise some one, if such praise is justified. Further, telling you for forecasting some capabilities to grow up in the profession is not a big deal at all. Anyways, I dont much like to comment on the words where you took the benefit of my remarks and meant to be a MIAAN MITHOO. )
Arguments are always arguments and these cannot lose their identity either these are purposed for healthy discussion or debate-for-the-sake-of-debate. On same point of discussion/point of law the learnd fellows from law profession give their very solid arguments and so many times the conclusions are very un-predictable. Therefore, in so many such distract discussions, one cannot draw a line of big difference between them.
I hereby clarify my view point about your stance at this thread. It is not something to depict a message of "be bad" or "be good" for the readers from you. Rather, it had been your view that firms in so many cases mis-use their authority/position. You, in your obervation, may be right to some reasonable extent. I dont claim for any perfection at the part of the firms.
However, my "exception list" to your above observation was that
- the ICAP has very active role now a days;
- it intervenes unjustifiable strict actions of the firms/principals;
- the firms do not disregard their efficient and hard working students;
- such students are liked by every one and they dont feel a problem during their articles;
- there are no known cases of objection certificates and if there are some such examples, these would be very very very rare;
- there could be minor differences of opinion/thoughts between seniors and juniors owing to a number of reasons which interalia include undue pressure from seniors as well as immature behaviour of the juniors (here my opinion is, the student should bear such pressure which may appear to be undue in his opinion for the sake of his own benefit and bright future. There is no need to show heroic actions. There is no Collective Bargain Agent CBA, in firms so far, therefore there is no need to become a leader).
- respect is always due for even that person from whom we have learnt anything, either by direct counselling, or by following any one, or by observing someone's style and stragetgies etc or by some other indirect method.
As far as your statement that
"However, students having lived more than one third of thier lives, having got the pre-requiste knowledge and after gaining some experience can bring thier creativity into play."
Yes, nothing contained in any of my above posts put a cap on playing any one's creativity. But one must remember that crossing the limits of skies is only a fiction/illusion. Therefore creativity should be there but always within the acceptable limits. Creativity, motivation, innovation and finding new avenues is liked by every one in senior capacity and normally is not criticised.
You further added
"There are much cases when one working at a lower position can handle the task better than his senior. Presence of mentally incompetent person at managerial level is quite a common phenomena in our society."
There may be some examples of the above observations appearing from their outlook but this is not very simple. I do agree to the power of fate, still every person has reasons to be placed some where which may not be known to the juniors but very well known to his seniors. Moreover, if at any cost it is likely to be agreed that in some case this has actually happened, even then we cannot overrule it since the seat is occupied by such incompenetent person. A wise begger cannot replace an incompetent king. This is not some thing out of this world. Furthermore, in so many cases, childern take a lead to ther fathers in education, postion, status, competence and much more. EVEN THEN FATHER IS THE PERSON WHO IS FATHER AND SON IS THE PERSON WHO IS SON. THIS CANNOT MAKE A SON TO BE FATHER OF HIS FATHER. I think it should not be un-digestbale clarification.
Your discussion on NORMS, HUMBLE/BOLD, RESPECT and AGE etc, I think so much you can conclude form my current and previous osts on this thread, if you really want to grasp my idea. So its not much workable to talk on this more.
At the end, you appear to be substantially agreeing with my opinions. This is good. )
I would wait for your further posts.
Regards,
Kamran
It had never been an objective to send some one's mind on seventh sky or eslewhere. I only praise some one, if such praise is justified. Further, telling you for forecasting some capabilities to grow up in the profession is not a big deal at all. Anyways, I dont much like to comment on the words where you took the benefit of my remarks and meant to be a MIAAN MITHOO. )
Arguments are always arguments and these cannot lose their identity either these are purposed for healthy discussion or debate-for-the-sake-of-debate. On same point of discussion/point of law the learnd fellows from law profession give their very solid arguments and so many times the conclusions are very un-predictable. Therefore, in so many such distract discussions, one cannot draw a line of big difference between them.
I hereby clarify my view point about your stance at this thread. It is not something to depict a message of "be bad" or "be good" for the readers from you. Rather, it had been your view that firms in so many cases mis-use their authority/position. You, in your obervation, may be right to some reasonable extent. I dont claim for any perfection at the part of the firms.
However, my "exception list" to your above observation was that
- the ICAP has very active role now a days;
- it intervenes unjustifiable strict actions of the firms/principals;
- the firms do not disregard their efficient and hard working students;
- such students are liked by every one and they dont feel a problem during their articles;
- there are no known cases of objection certificates and if there are some such examples, these would be very very very rare;
- there could be minor differences of opinion/thoughts between seniors and juniors owing to a number of reasons which interalia include undue pressure from seniors as well as immature behaviour of the juniors (here my opinion is, the student should bear such pressure which may appear to be undue in his opinion for the sake of his own benefit and bright future. There is no need to show heroic actions. There is no Collective Bargain Agent CBA, in firms so far, therefore there is no need to become a leader).
- respect is always due for even that person from whom we have learnt anything, either by direct counselling, or by following any one, or by observing someone's style and stragetgies etc or by some other indirect method.
As far as your statement that
"However, students having lived more than one third of thier lives, having got the pre-requiste knowledge and after gaining some experience can bring thier creativity into play."
Yes, nothing contained in any of my above posts put a cap on playing any one's creativity. But one must remember that crossing the limits of skies is only a fiction/illusion. Therefore creativity should be there but always within the acceptable limits. Creativity, motivation, innovation and finding new avenues is liked by every one in senior capacity and normally is not criticised.
You further added
"There are much cases when one working at a lower position can handle the task better than his senior. Presence of mentally incompetent person at managerial level is quite a common phenomena in our society."
There may be some examples of the above observations appearing from their outlook but this is not very simple. I do agree to the power of fate, still every person has reasons to be placed some where which may not be known to the juniors but very well known to his seniors. Moreover, if at any cost it is likely to be agreed that in some case this has actually happened, even then we cannot overrule it since the seat is occupied by such incompenetent person. A wise begger cannot replace an incompetent king. This is not some thing out of this world. Furthermore, in so many cases, childern take a lead to ther fathers in education, postion, status, competence and much more. EVEN THEN FATHER IS THE PERSON WHO IS FATHER AND SON IS THE PERSON WHO IS SON. THIS CANNOT MAKE A SON TO BE FATHER OF HIS FATHER. I think it should not be un-digestbale clarification.
Your discussion on NORMS, HUMBLE/BOLD, RESPECT and AGE etc, I think so much you can conclude form my current and previous osts on this thread, if you really want to grasp my idea. So its not much workable to talk on this more.
At the end, you appear to be substantially agreeing with my opinions. This is good. )
I would wait for your further posts.
Regards,
Kamran
