09-29-2007, 12:39 AM
Kamran I guess there is nothing much left for us to discuss on this issue. Had it not been your post I could have come across with a criticall evaluation of this. However, that would have been just for the sake of debate. And I won't like to get in a debate for the sake of debate with you, that would have been just a waste of your precious time. My time as is of a bloody student is never worthy.
I guess that we both have an idea about the environment of CA firms, your experience is definitely much more than mine. So, I hope you very well understand the context in which I am putting things in this thread. You being the representative of managent are got to defend the position of the management. That's what I find you doing here. I mentioned in my earlier post that I would have been able to make my point clearer if I could come across with some real life examples.
Leaving all this aside, let me ask for your opinion about some practices common in firms. I find these nothing else than exploitation.
-Why students are paid just a very lowly stipend, and why this word stipend is used? Is it the worth of thier work or is just a mean adopted by ICAP to provide cheap work force to chartered accountants?
-The duration of articles, it could be max for a period of five years and is normally 3.5 years, isn't it a bit more? I mean there are numerous examples of students who are in the age of earning depends totally on thier home for monthly expense?
-Generally a student have to work some months more than his normal training period. Its due to the time spent as unregistered trainee and at the end of the period compensating for extra leaves?
-Students normally work much more than ICAP's forty hours per week and in most of the cases there are not given any benefit for this? What could be worse that in many cases it is not even allowed to be adjusted against extra leaves availed by the student.
-The threat of Show-cause notice. I swear most of the cases I have seen, such notices are given to students for unjust reasons. Now students are forced to give a receiving. When any occasion arrives when ICAP have to intervene these show-cause received and signed by the student may be a big threat for him.
-Double penalizaion for absents is yet another pretty common tool for exploitation.
-Late sittings, I don't mind it at all if these are for some reasons, however, at most of occaions I find late sittings totally illogical and reason less. For example if your senior or manager is there working you may be ask for a late sitting spreading on hours, no matter you do nnothing in all that time. Or after office hours you are waiting for a manager or partner to get free and get your work reviewed. I personally have been dozens of time made to wait for hours and at 10 o clock the manager says sorry for the wait and the review is postponned on next day. The worth of that sorry becomes very clear when the very next day very same thing recurs. This is how they worth your time, so why should you worth thier time or work.
- A lot lot of examples are there when a student has to sacrifice his classes for some outstation assignment, and the fee wasted belongs to the student.
Sir, these examples are just an iota out of the plethora of common practices. So the word jabri mushakat ideally suits for this thing which is comically called training.
I guess that we both have an idea about the environment of CA firms, your experience is definitely much more than mine. So, I hope you very well understand the context in which I am putting things in this thread. You being the representative of managent are got to defend the position of the management. That's what I find you doing here. I mentioned in my earlier post that I would have been able to make my point clearer if I could come across with some real life examples.
Leaving all this aside, let me ask for your opinion about some practices common in firms. I find these nothing else than exploitation.
-Why students are paid just a very lowly stipend, and why this word stipend is used? Is it the worth of thier work or is just a mean adopted by ICAP to provide cheap work force to chartered accountants?
-The duration of articles, it could be max for a period of five years and is normally 3.5 years, isn't it a bit more? I mean there are numerous examples of students who are in the age of earning depends totally on thier home for monthly expense?
-Generally a student have to work some months more than his normal training period. Its due to the time spent as unregistered trainee and at the end of the period compensating for extra leaves?
-Students normally work much more than ICAP's forty hours per week and in most of the cases there are not given any benefit for this? What could be worse that in many cases it is not even allowed to be adjusted against extra leaves availed by the student.
-The threat of Show-cause notice. I swear most of the cases I have seen, such notices are given to students for unjust reasons. Now students are forced to give a receiving. When any occasion arrives when ICAP have to intervene these show-cause received and signed by the student may be a big threat for him.
-Double penalizaion for absents is yet another pretty common tool for exploitation.
-Late sittings, I don't mind it at all if these are for some reasons, however, at most of occaions I find late sittings totally illogical and reason less. For example if your senior or manager is there working you may be ask for a late sitting spreading on hours, no matter you do nnothing in all that time. Or after office hours you are waiting for a manager or partner to get free and get your work reviewed. I personally have been dozens of time made to wait for hours and at 10 o clock the manager says sorry for the wait and the review is postponned on next day. The worth of that sorry becomes very clear when the very next day very same thing recurs. This is how they worth your time, so why should you worth thier time or work.
- A lot lot of examples are there when a student has to sacrifice his classes for some outstation assignment, and the fee wasted belongs to the student.
Sir, these examples are just an iota out of the plethora of common practices. So the word jabri mushakat ideally suits for this thing which is comically called training.
