11-23-2007, 12:15 AM
Dear,
First of all I at once reject your idea that there has developed some consensus on the issue described by u as under
"I guess you are no more of the view that no body wants to play with us due to the deed of officials. And we have to beg others to play with us and in return we let them win."
I dont know how you deduced my view. However, it is not strange of you to make such assumptions. Whatever has happened here, either it was Shakoor Rana case, our security issues (just like SA denied playing at Karachi), the murder of french people when NewZeland was at visit of Pakistan, emergency in Pakistan, Inzamam's issues with the Match referee or match Umpire, murder of Pakistan's coach at west indies, proven record of corruption of our players like Saleem Malik Ejaz Ahmad Waseem Akram and others (now dont refer to me indian names in response), worldover bad named fights among our players like Rashid Latif/Basit Ali/Muhammad Asif/Shoib Akhter etc and many more such major or minor problems have been accumulating and keeping on affecting Pakistan's repute have and will go a long way in creating such situations where number of countries will hide their heads when invited to visit Pakistan. Some years back it had been a real problem for Pakistan. If you compare the test matches played by pakistani players and their records with the players of the other countries you will find a clear cut difference. How much test cricket we play every year as compared to others and what are reasons of very lesser games available to our team. Now dont just beat about the bush providing shameful figures which you call as very much encouraging.
If you will talk about putting the facts then you should try to understand the facts provided by others as well. The facts can considerably go wrong for your "improved average" and best performances. Facts must also be considered by assigning the utility concept and with reference to importance of a particular match for a team. I dont deny that our semi-final at 20/20 WC was a good show by our players but I certainly cannot rule out the chances of match fixing even in that particular tournament. I dont feel it much different than WWE shows. You said that had it been like WWE, its liking should have ruined over the time. Pitty on this conclusion. You know how much importance WWE has in the world where ur mind accepts it to be a planned show? You know the prices of tickets of a WWE day? You know many of the WWE players are among the richest in the players of all other games in the world? You know how many sponsors are involved in boosting up WWE? How you can say that fixation or pre-planning can ruin the importance and general liking. You must not forget thet the most liked and most seen game in the world is WWE matches. Its players are by name remembered by almost all the elders and kids who watch cable. This shows how much accurate your estimations are. My dear brother such issues cant harm the importance of the games.
Sunil Gawaskar is big name in match fixing issues. Get CDs of all matches of 1992 WC and find out Sunil's comments for Pakistani team in each and every match. You will certainly conclude that he was from the very first day declaring Pakistan to be a best team having greatest potential to win 92 WC. You must remember what was the condition of Pakistan team until semi final in that WC. How a man of senses could say that tutti bhajji team as the potential winner at the outset and through out the tournament. Yes, some bookie can say it. It's not a wonder for me. It might be for you.
Further, winning and losing does not have importance for fixers (I am not talking about Pakistani situation). They have to earn and they do it both ways.
Your question regarding Aust is gud that why they oftenly win. Bhayya jee, if you remember WWE, you should also remember that for world heavy weight championship NOORA MATCHES are oftenly played but lower middle category player normally never takes this title. This remains the game of the big ones. If we see all big cricket tournaments Aust has almost remained in finals or at least semi-finals becoz it is a big side. There could be arranged some upsets which can hide behind other performances but the big ones cannot be totally ruled out. In fact room for fixing and playing the double game remains always there. Whatever they do, they do in gud style so that people dont totally feel it as NOORA. Have you never seen blood on the heads of HHH, Batista, Randy Ortan and other big double gamers. Yes, a person like you can say, "Ohh this wud never be a NOORA match, are you guys not seeing blood on bala bala's face".
No problem Shoaib. This exists becoz so manys think like you. If people like you will change thinking, would it not stop. I am sure it will never stop. Allah meray bhaai ko uss jaisey bhaaiyon ko salaamat rakhey!!! Ameen.
No one is desperate to go to KSA for getting beheading. Its a game. people take chances to make money. Do you feel crime is done only due to desperation? No, so many do it as a profession. Even if we dont talk about crimes so much in normal life is done by endangering one's life. A man working to build 45 floor building do it for earning and not for adventure or desperation. I saw a man going to 220 meter high smoke pipe of the WAPDA's Muzaffar Garh thermal project just for fixing a bulb on the top of it. It was through open stairs installed in the wall of such smoke pipe and the person doing it was an illetrate man of M. Garh. When he came down after completing his task, I asked him why he did such a dangerous work without saftely belt at his back and safety net over the ground. He said, Mr. you know for this 20 minutes task I will be paid double DEHAARI (labor cost for twice a day) and I have to take this chance for earning gud money for my family.
So, doing such dangerous things is not difficult for some people. When somebody will know that he is going to earn 10 Millions and as a result his home of say 2 million will be destroyed, he will never abstain his-self from taking the chance. Becoz earning 10 million will be certain while losing 2 million wud be contingent. Game of probabilities you know.
Is it enough or shud we prolong this purposeless debate?
Regards,
Kamran.
First of all I at once reject your idea that there has developed some consensus on the issue described by u as under
"I guess you are no more of the view that no body wants to play with us due to the deed of officials. And we have to beg others to play with us and in return we let them win."
I dont know how you deduced my view. However, it is not strange of you to make such assumptions. Whatever has happened here, either it was Shakoor Rana case, our security issues (just like SA denied playing at Karachi), the murder of french people when NewZeland was at visit of Pakistan, emergency in Pakistan, Inzamam's issues with the Match referee or match Umpire, murder of Pakistan's coach at west indies, proven record of corruption of our players like Saleem Malik Ejaz Ahmad Waseem Akram and others (now dont refer to me indian names in response), worldover bad named fights among our players like Rashid Latif/Basit Ali/Muhammad Asif/Shoib Akhter etc and many more such major or minor problems have been accumulating and keeping on affecting Pakistan's repute have and will go a long way in creating such situations where number of countries will hide their heads when invited to visit Pakistan. Some years back it had been a real problem for Pakistan. If you compare the test matches played by pakistani players and their records with the players of the other countries you will find a clear cut difference. How much test cricket we play every year as compared to others and what are reasons of very lesser games available to our team. Now dont just beat about the bush providing shameful figures which you call as very much encouraging.
If you will talk about putting the facts then you should try to understand the facts provided by others as well. The facts can considerably go wrong for your "improved average" and best performances. Facts must also be considered by assigning the utility concept and with reference to importance of a particular match for a team. I dont deny that our semi-final at 20/20 WC was a good show by our players but I certainly cannot rule out the chances of match fixing even in that particular tournament. I dont feel it much different than WWE shows. You said that had it been like WWE, its liking should have ruined over the time. Pitty on this conclusion. You know how much importance WWE has in the world where ur mind accepts it to be a planned show? You know the prices of tickets of a WWE day? You know many of the WWE players are among the richest in the players of all other games in the world? You know how many sponsors are involved in boosting up WWE? How you can say that fixation or pre-planning can ruin the importance and general liking. You must not forget thet the most liked and most seen game in the world is WWE matches. Its players are by name remembered by almost all the elders and kids who watch cable. This shows how much accurate your estimations are. My dear brother such issues cant harm the importance of the games.
Sunil Gawaskar is big name in match fixing issues. Get CDs of all matches of 1992 WC and find out Sunil's comments for Pakistani team in each and every match. You will certainly conclude that he was from the very first day declaring Pakistan to be a best team having greatest potential to win 92 WC. You must remember what was the condition of Pakistan team until semi final in that WC. How a man of senses could say that tutti bhajji team as the potential winner at the outset and through out the tournament. Yes, some bookie can say it. It's not a wonder for me. It might be for you.
Further, winning and losing does not have importance for fixers (I am not talking about Pakistani situation). They have to earn and they do it both ways.
Your question regarding Aust is gud that why they oftenly win. Bhayya jee, if you remember WWE, you should also remember that for world heavy weight championship NOORA MATCHES are oftenly played but lower middle category player normally never takes this title. This remains the game of the big ones. If we see all big cricket tournaments Aust has almost remained in finals or at least semi-finals becoz it is a big side. There could be arranged some upsets which can hide behind other performances but the big ones cannot be totally ruled out. In fact room for fixing and playing the double game remains always there. Whatever they do, they do in gud style so that people dont totally feel it as NOORA. Have you never seen blood on the heads of HHH, Batista, Randy Ortan and other big double gamers. Yes, a person like you can say, "Ohh this wud never be a NOORA match, are you guys not seeing blood on bala bala's face".
No problem Shoaib. This exists becoz so manys think like you. If people like you will change thinking, would it not stop. I am sure it will never stop. Allah meray bhaai ko uss jaisey bhaaiyon ko salaamat rakhey!!! Ameen.
No one is desperate to go to KSA for getting beheading. Its a game. people take chances to make money. Do you feel crime is done only due to desperation? No, so many do it as a profession. Even if we dont talk about crimes so much in normal life is done by endangering one's life. A man working to build 45 floor building do it for earning and not for adventure or desperation. I saw a man going to 220 meter high smoke pipe of the WAPDA's Muzaffar Garh thermal project just for fixing a bulb on the top of it. It was through open stairs installed in the wall of such smoke pipe and the person doing it was an illetrate man of M. Garh. When he came down after completing his task, I asked him why he did such a dangerous work without saftely belt at his back and safety net over the ground. He said, Mr. you know for this 20 minutes task I will be paid double DEHAARI (labor cost for twice a day) and I have to take this chance for earning gud money for my family.
So, doing such dangerous things is not difficult for some people. When somebody will know that he is going to earn 10 Millions and as a result his home of say 2 million will be destroyed, he will never abstain his-self from taking the chance. Becoz earning 10 million will be certain while losing 2 million wud be contingent. Game of probabilities you know.
Is it enough or shud we prolong this purposeless debate?
Regards,
Kamran.
