11-24-2007, 12:31 AM
My deduction quite simple if you address all areas and leave a particular one (infact the one which started this discussion), then I can simply assume your silence as consent.
I asked you to stay here and should be grateful as you obliged. Now this is your own time and you yourself have to decide what to do.
Now I thin you will agree atleast on this that there are three things primarily two which are being discussed here.
1-Condition of cricket in Pakistan
2-Match fixing issue
3-Risking your life for money.
Coming to the first, totally different cheezon ko milana somebody should learn from you. If we just have to create logics to prove our point instead of going to a conclusion where logics lead to, I will have to agree that every such debate is purposeless and a mere waste of time. A team denys to come to Pakistan for security reasons is totally different then Shakoor Rana or Inzimam issue. I hope that you will agree no body has ever denied to play with us on the basis of these issues, if it is the case give me a single example. If some team doesn't consider to play in Pakistan on the basis of Pakistan on the basis of security issues its totally a different thing and the team is justified in doing that. I don't know what made you to deduce that boards do not want to play with us for the deeds of our officials.
Although I have no idea what point you want to prove by giving these facts but I will like to tell you that it has been proved that Pakistani coach died of stroke and it was a natural death. The autopsy have confirmed. Indian media and officials have tried to pull us into the affair but remained unsuccessful. Hansie Cronie, Gibbs, Shane Warne, Azharudin, Jadeja are some of the other names highlighted in match fixing issues. So, this by no way can be proved that Pakistan is involved in match fixing more than others. (I am telling this because it appeared that you give some names as the reason of not playing with Pakistan). Daryl Hair was not Pakistani, Rana Tunga once took his team outside as a protest against empire's decision as did Inzi in Oval, Hair was the empire in both cases. Shakoor Rana was applogised. You seem to be unaware of the remarks passed by Attaputa for his board in Australlia. So how come you can say that Pakistan is involved more in such issues. And more than that you took it as a reason for other countries not playing for Pakistan, more than strange.
Some teams have denied to play in Pakistan for some security reasons. These matches are than played on neutral venues. You should know that Australlia and WI didn't play in Sri Lanka during WC 1996 for same reasons.
You took figures provided by me as shameful, I wonder how. Still it may be your own way to interpret facts. It was new for me to know that you don't understand the environs of this corporate era and the importance of sponsors. India is playing more than anyother teams reason being it has got huge sponsors, infact cricket depends to some extent on Indian sponsors. Australlia's is a similar case. Why Pakistan have played less test cricket? The number of people watching test match in pakistan can be counted of figures despite have such cheap entry tickets. Similarly sponsors are less interested. So this is the main reason that countries like Pakistan have played less cricket. Yet this less (as you beleive its less) is more than average. Yousaf broke the record for scoring maximum runs (test) in a calendar year (2006). It won't have been possible if Pakistan were not playing 18 matches that year. 18 is quite on higher side if you do understand international cricket. State should definitely be related by utility concept. You didn't tell me that how Pakistani state appeared higher than amount of utility they succeeded to acheive. In a longer run I beleive better stats mean better performance, I hope you can understand (although not sure) so I need not to give much examples.
Well said that in T20 Pakistan only did well in semi final, the rest of games sombody else played for them.
Coming to your second point. Infact this time you more emphasized on comparing it with WWE, as an effort to prove my statement "therotically impossible for any sport to continue if a big majority of its matches are fixed. If it is the case it has to become a stage show like WWE. Even it is in the very interest of the fixers if they let normal cricket being played and intervene occasionally"
I knew that WWE is a stage show even when I was a kid, all those who come to watch WWE know this. They didn't come to see some real wrestling. Once I asked a friend of mine (quite frantic about wrestling) why do he watch wrestling when everything is pre planned. He simply responded why do you watch movies. I guess you may understand what I tried to prove by means of this simple example.WWE can never be compared with fixing. That is not fixing in that case, infact that is properly directed as a drama, and people come to see that drama. More of the drama more viewership. I hope things clarified.
No once again coming to my point that it is not possible for any sport to continue if it totally become a staged drama as WWE, infact it will become like WWE. Officials in that case only will be able to have some viewship if they can make it a drama whom people knowing this are willing to watch. This is the case with WWE. Sports is a different thing, and at some occasions its facing issues like fixing (not only cricket I have to repeat it for the third time)100 of thousands of people watch club soccer in Europe fixing scandals had been there or even fixing had been there but it never makes a staged program like WWE or Tmaseel theatre.
My questions remain same why are fixers so kind to Australlia (your explanation where you compared with some WWE champs is no more valid and this time I really beleive you would agree, and try to come with some better reasons). Australlia is breaking all records and progressing in an unprecedented manner for ten years I should say. India is the country about which is generally beleived has strongest roots for fixers, I am not sure whether you no or not, my question why Indian fixers are such enemies of there team. Why shouldnt we be thankful to fixers for giving us a respectable place in international cricket?
The third point, is pr hum kabi aur with more positive attitude baat karian gay, but I should say Kamran or anyother person jis ka pait bhra ho wont risk his life for money.
Continuing to this post in your personal affair. Magar Kamran sb app bhi koi baat maan ker is forum pr masal kaim kr do, so dogmatic you always are regarding your opinions. (the case may be quite similar with others but some times you make some difference) Or at least say one thing that things can't be sorted out by means of logic.
I asked you to stay here and should be grateful as you obliged. Now this is your own time and you yourself have to decide what to do.
Now I thin you will agree atleast on this that there are three things primarily two which are being discussed here.
1-Condition of cricket in Pakistan
2-Match fixing issue
3-Risking your life for money.
Coming to the first, totally different cheezon ko milana somebody should learn from you. If we just have to create logics to prove our point instead of going to a conclusion where logics lead to, I will have to agree that every such debate is purposeless and a mere waste of time. A team denys to come to Pakistan for security reasons is totally different then Shakoor Rana or Inzimam issue. I hope that you will agree no body has ever denied to play with us on the basis of these issues, if it is the case give me a single example. If some team doesn't consider to play in Pakistan on the basis of Pakistan on the basis of security issues its totally a different thing and the team is justified in doing that. I don't know what made you to deduce that boards do not want to play with us for the deeds of our officials.
Although I have no idea what point you want to prove by giving these facts but I will like to tell you that it has been proved that Pakistani coach died of stroke and it was a natural death. The autopsy have confirmed. Indian media and officials have tried to pull us into the affair but remained unsuccessful. Hansie Cronie, Gibbs, Shane Warne, Azharudin, Jadeja are some of the other names highlighted in match fixing issues. So, this by no way can be proved that Pakistan is involved in match fixing more than others. (I am telling this because it appeared that you give some names as the reason of not playing with Pakistan). Daryl Hair was not Pakistani, Rana Tunga once took his team outside as a protest against empire's decision as did Inzi in Oval, Hair was the empire in both cases. Shakoor Rana was applogised. You seem to be unaware of the remarks passed by Attaputa for his board in Australlia. So how come you can say that Pakistan is involved more in such issues. And more than that you took it as a reason for other countries not playing for Pakistan, more than strange.
Some teams have denied to play in Pakistan for some security reasons. These matches are than played on neutral venues. You should know that Australlia and WI didn't play in Sri Lanka during WC 1996 for same reasons.
You took figures provided by me as shameful, I wonder how. Still it may be your own way to interpret facts. It was new for me to know that you don't understand the environs of this corporate era and the importance of sponsors. India is playing more than anyother teams reason being it has got huge sponsors, infact cricket depends to some extent on Indian sponsors. Australlia's is a similar case. Why Pakistan have played less test cricket? The number of people watching test match in pakistan can be counted of figures despite have such cheap entry tickets. Similarly sponsors are less interested. So this is the main reason that countries like Pakistan have played less cricket. Yet this less (as you beleive its less) is more than average. Yousaf broke the record for scoring maximum runs (test) in a calendar year (2006). It won't have been possible if Pakistan were not playing 18 matches that year. 18 is quite on higher side if you do understand international cricket. State should definitely be related by utility concept. You didn't tell me that how Pakistani state appeared higher than amount of utility they succeeded to acheive. In a longer run I beleive better stats mean better performance, I hope you can understand (although not sure) so I need not to give much examples.
Well said that in T20 Pakistan only did well in semi final, the rest of games sombody else played for them.
Coming to your second point. Infact this time you more emphasized on comparing it with WWE, as an effort to prove my statement "therotically impossible for any sport to continue if a big majority of its matches are fixed. If it is the case it has to become a stage show like WWE. Even it is in the very interest of the fixers if they let normal cricket being played and intervene occasionally"
I knew that WWE is a stage show even when I was a kid, all those who come to watch WWE know this. They didn't come to see some real wrestling. Once I asked a friend of mine (quite frantic about wrestling) why do he watch wrestling when everything is pre planned. He simply responded why do you watch movies. I guess you may understand what I tried to prove by means of this simple example.WWE can never be compared with fixing. That is not fixing in that case, infact that is properly directed as a drama, and people come to see that drama. More of the drama more viewership. I hope things clarified.
No once again coming to my point that it is not possible for any sport to continue if it totally become a staged drama as WWE, infact it will become like WWE. Officials in that case only will be able to have some viewship if they can make it a drama whom people knowing this are willing to watch. This is the case with WWE. Sports is a different thing, and at some occasions its facing issues like fixing (not only cricket I have to repeat it for the third time)100 of thousands of people watch club soccer in Europe fixing scandals had been there or even fixing had been there but it never makes a staged program like WWE or Tmaseel theatre.
My questions remain same why are fixers so kind to Australlia (your explanation where you compared with some WWE champs is no more valid and this time I really beleive you would agree, and try to come with some better reasons). Australlia is breaking all records and progressing in an unprecedented manner for ten years I should say. India is the country about which is generally beleived has strongest roots for fixers, I am not sure whether you no or not, my question why Indian fixers are such enemies of there team. Why shouldnt we be thankful to fixers for giving us a respectable place in international cricket?
The third point, is pr hum kabi aur with more positive attitude baat karian gay, but I should say Kamran or anyother person jis ka pait bhra ho wont risk his life for money.
Continuing to this post in your personal affair. Magar Kamran sb app bhi koi baat maan ker is forum pr masal kaim kr do, so dogmatic you always are regarding your opinions. (the case may be quite similar with others but some times you make some difference) Or at least say one thing that things can't be sorted out by means of logic.
