11-26-2007, 04:50 PM
Dear Shoaib,
I appreciate ur interest in philosphy that you have expressed in above post regarding the comparison of one's self with truth. Yes, it is in the nature of human beings. Very rare are those who do to the contrary.
But in this thread nothing started in proving anyone's own self against the truth. If you read my very first post, I clearly mentioned that this is what appears to me or can appear to others as well if they concentrate becoz deeds and acts speak. I further said that I have no proof or evidence for my statement. I am living in a country where things are not proved. Just as Ojri camp incident was not proved and in response Bahawalpur air crash is also not proved. So if you really dont support ur self against the truth, you can come to know that I at the very outset have given a clear disclaimer to which if u might have given a look, you should have not started this debate. Becoz this was not to start arguments. This was just to share what I feel. Now its your "SELF" which can't leave you sit patiencely thereby giving you a chance to show forebearance for others ideas as well. Its only a "SELF" over the "TRUTH". Becoz truth is that I shared what I felt (I agree it is more than a feeling and lesser than a file of the disclosed facts, as facts are never disclosed only acts and deeds speak) and "SELF" is that which dont make you to sit calmly. Is not it? Or again you will revert it to me?
Your all logics wud be correct for you to make such opinion but how can you rule out the chances of evolution of such logics form the base of feelings? Only becoz it appears as such to you? What a justification for comparing SELF and TRUTH and LOGIC and FEELING. Gud to mix the things in a philosphic manner. Keep it up. I give u appluase.
WWE and Cricket have already been stretched too much. I think we shud not stretch them further to tear them off. Both are games, both have own rulings, entertainment, drama, fixings, plannings, viewers, crazies, and both have people having their interest. Now we cant prove ourself much decent, civilized, mature or (i will again use) philospher by calling Cricket as game/sport and by calling WWE a movie or drama and including others in specific categories. Here again "SELF" is working against the "TRUTH" if you can understand. Since both are different avenues, matters could be handled differently but the essence is same in my opinion. You can have a different view, I dont bother. Then why you bother to make my ideas consistent with yours? Is it necessary? Can you not find satisfaction without it? I requested you to tell me if there such an issue. I will unconditionally do it for you.
So, what I said, I am still feelings it exactly same. In my view Cricket is materially a fixed or pre-planned game like many others. To calm down my expression I may say that most of the matches and most of the important matches are pre-decided/fixed. In support of my statement I already said and would again say that acts and deeds speak. You have seen, you are seeing (see current series with India) and you will be keeping on seeing it, unless PCB gets some dominating position by upgrading itself. Now these acts and deeds may appear differently to different persons at the same time. This happens so many times in our lives.
However, in past you can see such plannings and fixings if you wnat to see. But nothing would be visible if you make calculations and dont apply mind. Calculations never surface so much. You are doing audits why dont you know it. Final presentations do not speak so much about underlying realities and so much could be managed to present gud or acceptable figures. Thats the difference between due diligence and audit. The partner of Mohsin Tayyub Ali, Law Associates once asked me why due diligence is necessary to uncover so many accounting issues, un-incorporated adjustments, financial ambiguities and sorting out of hidden sekeltons while all the information is already subject to audit by the similar people. Why auditors dont ensure what the avisors suggest in due diligence. I would not write down the detailed reply which I gave to him during the meeting of consortia of advisors to a privatization but I am quoting his questions for ur understanding. Facts and figures, as you calculate, cannot arrive at the real values and results. You might not understand it. Becoz "SELF" is much important than "TRUTH".
Hope now the matter would go to some ending direction becoz the debate could go un-ending if we keep it as such.
Regards,
Kamran.
