01-06-2008, 05:54 AM
Dear Goodman
Thanks for your considerate reply.
I reckon you do not consider me among those who are unaware of the threats our federation is facing. The nationalist elements you talked about were always there in our society. This recent incident, in my view, provided them with a chance to reinforce their point. I come to the point of retorting to your first post. What is being done here in post-12/27 scenario is we are frequently talking about breaking of federation and linking it with our history. I always doubt in whose favor our media is working which aggravated the situation to this extent at the first place. Secondly, the people like us who are repeating this reasonlessly are responsible. I admit that not talking about this wonât mollify the situation. However, this attitude has made the movement of nationalist parties a great success. True scale of problem is of course apparent, but my request for those who are in favor of our federation is that not to let these nationalist elements succeed by polluting minds.
Another thing, which confused me a lot how a single incident, no matter the assassination of a person, can change our view points to 180 degrees over night. Calling a person in good words after his/her death is a courteous gesture but it should not change our views altogether. If it is the case either our earlier views were incorrect or we are being unnecessarily emotional afterwards. I have quoted similar examples on this forum on the incidents of assassinations of Ghazi and Saddam. How come everyone suddenly come to know that Benazir was a great person only after her death? Those who initialing kept on criticizing her policies all of a sudden became her great fans. The role of media is notable in this regard. Initially it seemed to placate the annoyed masses, afterwards it become known that this served no other purpose than infuriating the situation. Of course they need to build up something to sell themselves.
I donât know whether I am a racist/neo-fascist or not. I am against those who speak against the federation. At the same time I am of the view that we should not continue with this 19th century version of centralized federation. The solution to our problems may be achieved through a decentralized structure with more provincial autonomy. But some elements in Pakistan will never allow that.
To avoid my post getting extra lengthy Iâll just count on saying that you are mistaken about socialism. A socialist Muslim can exist. Bhutto was an example. You are mixing the term with Marxism. Socialism can be taken as just an economic system. Generally, the socialists are agnostics often called leftist, but it should not confuse us about the term. I had some detailed discussions on this point with some remnants of NSF but it would require some time to be discussed in detail
The passing of a few accountancy exams and confining accountants only to accountancy seems totally irrelevant at this place.
Regards
Shoaib
Thanks for your considerate reply.
I reckon you do not consider me among those who are unaware of the threats our federation is facing. The nationalist elements you talked about were always there in our society. This recent incident, in my view, provided them with a chance to reinforce their point. I come to the point of retorting to your first post. What is being done here in post-12/27 scenario is we are frequently talking about breaking of federation and linking it with our history. I always doubt in whose favor our media is working which aggravated the situation to this extent at the first place. Secondly, the people like us who are repeating this reasonlessly are responsible. I admit that not talking about this wonât mollify the situation. However, this attitude has made the movement of nationalist parties a great success. True scale of problem is of course apparent, but my request for those who are in favor of our federation is that not to let these nationalist elements succeed by polluting minds.
Another thing, which confused me a lot how a single incident, no matter the assassination of a person, can change our view points to 180 degrees over night. Calling a person in good words after his/her death is a courteous gesture but it should not change our views altogether. If it is the case either our earlier views were incorrect or we are being unnecessarily emotional afterwards. I have quoted similar examples on this forum on the incidents of assassinations of Ghazi and Saddam. How come everyone suddenly come to know that Benazir was a great person only after her death? Those who initialing kept on criticizing her policies all of a sudden became her great fans. The role of media is notable in this regard. Initially it seemed to placate the annoyed masses, afterwards it become known that this served no other purpose than infuriating the situation. Of course they need to build up something to sell themselves.
I donât know whether I am a racist/neo-fascist or not. I am against those who speak against the federation. At the same time I am of the view that we should not continue with this 19th century version of centralized federation. The solution to our problems may be achieved through a decentralized structure with more provincial autonomy. But some elements in Pakistan will never allow that.
To avoid my post getting extra lengthy Iâll just count on saying that you are mistaken about socialism. A socialist Muslim can exist. Bhutto was an example. You are mixing the term with Marxism. Socialism can be taken as just an economic system. Generally, the socialists are agnostics often called leftist, but it should not confuse us about the term. I had some detailed discussions on this point with some remnants of NSF but it would require some time to be discussed in detail
The passing of a few accountancy exams and confining accountants only to accountancy seems totally irrelevant at this place.
Regards
Shoaib
