03-04-2008, 09:53 AM
Dear Kamran ACA
I am very disappointed with your latest post, you missed out so many things in anger.
Firstly your claim that I am on the only stance of study materialof ACCA is incorrect. Please see 3rd last paragraph of my last post.
Secondly your evaluation of ACCA's age is based on its existence in Pakistan. For your kind information ACCA was established between 1903-1906. I am sure you are aware when ICAP was formed. So you can decide who's research is older and more tested?
Thirdly your analysis regarding news channels is very funny. I dont blame you because whenever I have taught any ICAP student, they ask same question in 99% cases that 'Sir, what if we do the same topic from Gupta and thereafter from Spicer and Pegler etc to get better understanding,. I have to tell them you can get better practice by doing the same topic from different sources but understanding you get from basic concepts and that is what you use in every question. So I am not surprised.
Fourthly, the 'extra' which acted as a catalyst. Your valuable comment 'There could be so many examples where 'extra' instead of reducing the importance has increased it rather' is a very good one. Please reconsider your previous post where you have used it. The holy hadith emphasises on 'knowledge' and its importance. If you are using holy hadith as reason for obtaining memebership of professional bodies, then feel pitty for yourself.
Fifthly, The small firms issue, I asked you to leave it because this is a seperate debate that why the internees of small firms do not qualify or do not go upto the final stages? (You have clearly mentioned this in your post that it is fact).You have argued quite often that quality work is not restricted to big firms but you were unable to provide proper basis. Yes you have mentioned rare cases, with which I fully agree. However, they are exceptions and we are talking about masses.
As far as ACA's from Pakistan working in international scenario are very competent and you are right they are sticking in their jobs because of their competency. One fact which you should accept is, that, they have to undertake certain papers to equip themselves with appropriate knowledge of the local market.
Now your concern about ICAEW members. You have answered it yourself i.e if they are moving to any other territory only then they are interested. It is because of compulsory nature. Same is the case with Pakistani ACA which are working abroad or have migrated as mentioned above. I was pointing the ACA's which are in Pakistan, very happy and satisfied with their profession and at the same time struggling to get memebership of another foreign institute of same nature to add few more letters against their name. You will not find this culture in memebers of professional bodies of another countries.
I reproduce a line from my post
It seems like by pointing towards the interest of Kamran ACA I have either pushed wrong button or Kamaran ACA has taken it personal offence, which in any case was not my intention.
I have mentioned two possibilities clearly distincting with 'or'. In the second last paragraph of your post, you have proved one is correct. Thank you very much for offering more buttons for pressing. With due respect can I ask what options I have got?
If in your opinion discussion is not proving worthy and you want to withdraw.Its upto you, we dont have any obligation or binding.
I would like to request other members to offer their valuable comments. So we can see a bigger picture.
Many Thanks
Kind Regards
I am very disappointed with your latest post, you missed out so many things in anger.
Firstly your claim that I am on the only stance of study materialof ACCA is incorrect. Please see 3rd last paragraph of my last post.
Secondly your evaluation of ACCA's age is based on its existence in Pakistan. For your kind information ACCA was established between 1903-1906. I am sure you are aware when ICAP was formed. So you can decide who's research is older and more tested?
Thirdly your analysis regarding news channels is very funny. I dont blame you because whenever I have taught any ICAP student, they ask same question in 99% cases that 'Sir, what if we do the same topic from Gupta and thereafter from Spicer and Pegler etc to get better understanding,. I have to tell them you can get better practice by doing the same topic from different sources but understanding you get from basic concepts and that is what you use in every question. So I am not surprised.
Fourthly, the 'extra' which acted as a catalyst. Your valuable comment 'There could be so many examples where 'extra' instead of reducing the importance has increased it rather' is a very good one. Please reconsider your previous post where you have used it. The holy hadith emphasises on 'knowledge' and its importance. If you are using holy hadith as reason for obtaining memebership of professional bodies, then feel pitty for yourself.
Fifthly, The small firms issue, I asked you to leave it because this is a seperate debate that why the internees of small firms do not qualify or do not go upto the final stages? (You have clearly mentioned this in your post that it is fact).You have argued quite often that quality work is not restricted to big firms but you were unable to provide proper basis. Yes you have mentioned rare cases, with which I fully agree. However, they are exceptions and we are talking about masses.
As far as ACA's from Pakistan working in international scenario are very competent and you are right they are sticking in their jobs because of their competency. One fact which you should accept is, that, they have to undertake certain papers to equip themselves with appropriate knowledge of the local market.
Now your concern about ICAEW members. You have answered it yourself i.e if they are moving to any other territory only then they are interested. It is because of compulsory nature. Same is the case with Pakistani ACA which are working abroad or have migrated as mentioned above. I was pointing the ACA's which are in Pakistan, very happy and satisfied with their profession and at the same time struggling to get memebership of another foreign institute of same nature to add few more letters against their name. You will not find this culture in memebers of professional bodies of another countries.
I reproduce a line from my post
It seems like by pointing towards the interest of Kamran ACA I have either pushed wrong button or Kamaran ACA has taken it personal offence, which in any case was not my intention.
I have mentioned two possibilities clearly distincting with 'or'. In the second last paragraph of your post, you have proved one is correct. Thank you very much for offering more buttons for pressing. With due respect can I ask what options I have got?
If in your opinion discussion is not proving worthy and you want to withdraw.Its upto you, we dont have any obligation or binding.
I would like to request other members to offer their valuable comments. So we can see a bigger picture.
Many Thanks
Kind Regards
