05-06-2008, 09:31 PM
Dear Amir,
Mashallah I must say. Yes your anxiety is valid becoz my posts might have caused serious pain to you. Anyways, if truth is painful what one can do for it?
Nothing in whole of the mess you uttered in above post was able to clarify the chaos and difference of your own sayings analyzed in last post of mine. Why you know? Becoz you have nothing to say now and when some body falls short of words due to whatever faults at his part starts growling in the fashion you have shortly done. Further it is the general habit of illiterates to always cover their naked tummy by calling others as agents of Israel. This is the only solution you have. Is not it?
I will never call you agent of Israel, USA, Yahoodi lobby bala bala although I have full rights reserved to call you as such. You may also know that most of the big names of people falling in ur category are their selves son-in-laws of USA.
I dont know if attacking innocents and even Pakistani forces is HARAM (as u said) then how and why it should be seen in different perspective for Talibaan. Even if Taaliban create some justification in attacking army (which I think is also ridiculous) then they will have no justification in attacking innocents.
If you don't agree that such bomb blasts are done by Taaliban then you should analyze two things. Suicidal attacks started just after Lal Masjid issue. This was started soon after when such Maulvies announced and threatened about such suicidal attacks. Should I send you fax of newspaper where your category Maulvies announced that they will start suicidal attacks against Lal Masjid action???
Such suicidal attacks remained continued until the change of government and release of Soofi Muhammad and some other criminals under a deal with new government. After such deal there is no significant blast anywhere except the blast you discussed in you above post. And this blast was also in the area where everything can happen. It was not Islamabad or Lahore.
Now if your Talibaan or others like them were not responsible why they never expressed it clearly until and unless they find the deal with government. This is not so simple as you want to pretend it. What a good MOSAD and RAW and SHUMALI ITTEHAD would it be (as per your analysis) which takes every decision as per the will and moves of Taalibaan and other Mullahs.
For a moment, let me look into your wordings given about innocent killings at Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Somalia etc. Let me take out the name of Afghanistan for discussion in the end. Now I never said that USA is justified in doing such illegal and inhuman acts anywhere in the world. I never praised USA / Israel. I know USA/Israel are the biggest enemies of Islam. You do not have to explain it. But don't take this fact making a reason for you to institute a referendum of your choice (as Zia-ul-Haq was used to do) that if USA / Israel are doing wrong then every act done by Talibaan is correct. This does not justify Talibaan to create mess in our country.
This is the point of difference. If I kill any of relatives of Mr. XYZ, would it be justified for Mr. XYZ to kill the innocent men on the roads?? You know it is not justified.
So if some Taalibaan would ever be able to kill President Bush (which they will never be) or any such big scoundrel then I (as a viewer) will have no objection. Although it will lead to some new disaster becoz we are not as much advanced and powerful as is required to do so. But if they feel that killing Pakistanis or even innocent foreigners is righteous thing they are on the worst path. Don't refer me to a few examples of some foreigners with whom Taalibaan dealt with nicely for political reasons. We know what their character is at large.
Afghanistan !!! Yes I agree USA has done worst possible with innocents at Afghanistan. But again it is caused by the own hands of Taalibaan and people like Usama who are not innocents. Mind it they are not innocents. May God give you long life and you see what they are when time will prove it. We are not in a condition (at the moment) to challenge or attack USA. This all could have been a disguised act on the signals received from USA by such people to make a reason for them to enter this whole region. It is not simply comparable to the fact that USSR was broken out into tiny states. We in fact have no contribution in the break down of USSR which we claim for. It's just like PIDAR-e-MANN SULTAN BOOD. It was also a result of USA policies and eventually gave urther rise to USA in world over wickedness. But people like you were not able to see it at that time and even at this time.
Jehad-e-kashmir is not a Jehad. I am still of same view. It's a political issue. I have already given detailed basis of having such view. Nothing contained in any of your posts could ever make a reasonable cause to change this idea. Just by saying, repeating and rubbing that CROW is WHITE, the crow will not become white. The rapes done with Kashmiri women by indian army is some other story. Armies world over do this wherever they are given a free hand. Even they do sex harassment with their own army women. Study what army women of USA working in big fighting ships say about male fellows. Indian army got free hand due to activities of Pakistani Mujahideen and in certain cases they over-used their powers. These rapes are not only confined in India. I can give you examples where Pak Army has committed same things with Pakistani women. What will you say against it?? General Tikka Khan allowed Pakistani army men to kill bengalies when they were helping indian armies in 1971 and thousands of such bengalies were killed. Their women were raped and their kids were fired. This happens whenever army is called for correcting the situations. Apart from army, what not and what not the WADAIRA culture is doing in Sindh villages and South Punjab villages. Such people have their own jails. They rape innocent girls of their haaries and mazaraa's and no one can speak against them. Go to your Sindh rural area and check which sort of gods you have in your own so-called Islamic country. Correct them before instituting ur Jehad in Kashmir. So it is very simple to raise the emotions by using such examples but before doing this we should understand all the pros and cons. I know you cannot understand it. Rest of ganddi zuban used by you does not affect the truth. This is what you are up to.
In your post you also made emotional speech about the innocent killings of muslim women and rapes therewith on partition of sub-continent. I agree with this speech but I must also add that this was done on both sides. This happens whenever some big goal is achieved. This was a political effort which was ruined by all people of that combined society whether they were Hindus or Sikhs or Muslims. This was expression of avenge and this happens in such situations. All were the ZAALIMS and all were the MAZLOOMS regardless of citizenship and religion. Apply your mind to understand it. My TAYA (my father's cousin; who died some months ago) who had been eye witness of beheaded nude carcasses / corpse of hindu and sikh men and women on the roads of Pakistani Punjab's cities was used to tell us all such incidents of his tender age. This cannot be covered in the context in which we are carrying out this debate. This had nothing to do with Taaliban, USA or Kashmir. Don't twist the things.
Now at the end what can I say about the poetry you wrote. Saying anything like this about a Sovereign country which accepts you country's dignity and independence is invalid in my opinion. Still it is your personal thought and no one would be affected with this ROOS, INDIA, SHOULAY, AMRICA etc. Keep on singing this stuff. Nothing can make us capable except educational, technical and economical progress.
Hope you cannot understand it.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
Mashallah I must say. Yes your anxiety is valid becoz my posts might have caused serious pain to you. Anyways, if truth is painful what one can do for it?
Nothing in whole of the mess you uttered in above post was able to clarify the chaos and difference of your own sayings analyzed in last post of mine. Why you know? Becoz you have nothing to say now and when some body falls short of words due to whatever faults at his part starts growling in the fashion you have shortly done. Further it is the general habit of illiterates to always cover their naked tummy by calling others as agents of Israel. This is the only solution you have. Is not it?
I will never call you agent of Israel, USA, Yahoodi lobby bala bala although I have full rights reserved to call you as such. You may also know that most of the big names of people falling in ur category are their selves son-in-laws of USA.
I dont know if attacking innocents and even Pakistani forces is HARAM (as u said) then how and why it should be seen in different perspective for Talibaan. Even if Taaliban create some justification in attacking army (which I think is also ridiculous) then they will have no justification in attacking innocents.
If you don't agree that such bomb blasts are done by Taaliban then you should analyze two things. Suicidal attacks started just after Lal Masjid issue. This was started soon after when such Maulvies announced and threatened about such suicidal attacks. Should I send you fax of newspaper where your category Maulvies announced that they will start suicidal attacks against Lal Masjid action???
Such suicidal attacks remained continued until the change of government and release of Soofi Muhammad and some other criminals under a deal with new government. After such deal there is no significant blast anywhere except the blast you discussed in you above post. And this blast was also in the area where everything can happen. It was not Islamabad or Lahore.
Now if your Talibaan or others like them were not responsible why they never expressed it clearly until and unless they find the deal with government. This is not so simple as you want to pretend it. What a good MOSAD and RAW and SHUMALI ITTEHAD would it be (as per your analysis) which takes every decision as per the will and moves of Taalibaan and other Mullahs.
For a moment, let me look into your wordings given about innocent killings at Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Somalia etc. Let me take out the name of Afghanistan for discussion in the end. Now I never said that USA is justified in doing such illegal and inhuman acts anywhere in the world. I never praised USA / Israel. I know USA/Israel are the biggest enemies of Islam. You do not have to explain it. But don't take this fact making a reason for you to institute a referendum of your choice (as Zia-ul-Haq was used to do) that if USA / Israel are doing wrong then every act done by Talibaan is correct. This does not justify Talibaan to create mess in our country.
This is the point of difference. If I kill any of relatives of Mr. XYZ, would it be justified for Mr. XYZ to kill the innocent men on the roads?? You know it is not justified.
So if some Taalibaan would ever be able to kill President Bush (which they will never be) or any such big scoundrel then I (as a viewer) will have no objection. Although it will lead to some new disaster becoz we are not as much advanced and powerful as is required to do so. But if they feel that killing Pakistanis or even innocent foreigners is righteous thing they are on the worst path. Don't refer me to a few examples of some foreigners with whom Taalibaan dealt with nicely for political reasons. We know what their character is at large.
Afghanistan !!! Yes I agree USA has done worst possible with innocents at Afghanistan. But again it is caused by the own hands of Taalibaan and people like Usama who are not innocents. Mind it they are not innocents. May God give you long life and you see what they are when time will prove it. We are not in a condition (at the moment) to challenge or attack USA. This all could have been a disguised act on the signals received from USA by such people to make a reason for them to enter this whole region. It is not simply comparable to the fact that USSR was broken out into tiny states. We in fact have no contribution in the break down of USSR which we claim for. It's just like PIDAR-e-MANN SULTAN BOOD. It was also a result of USA policies and eventually gave urther rise to USA in world over wickedness. But people like you were not able to see it at that time and even at this time.
Jehad-e-kashmir is not a Jehad. I am still of same view. It's a political issue. I have already given detailed basis of having such view. Nothing contained in any of your posts could ever make a reasonable cause to change this idea. Just by saying, repeating and rubbing that CROW is WHITE, the crow will not become white. The rapes done with Kashmiri women by indian army is some other story. Armies world over do this wherever they are given a free hand. Even they do sex harassment with their own army women. Study what army women of USA working in big fighting ships say about male fellows. Indian army got free hand due to activities of Pakistani Mujahideen and in certain cases they over-used their powers. These rapes are not only confined in India. I can give you examples where Pak Army has committed same things with Pakistani women. What will you say against it?? General Tikka Khan allowed Pakistani army men to kill bengalies when they were helping indian armies in 1971 and thousands of such bengalies were killed. Their women were raped and their kids were fired. This happens whenever army is called for correcting the situations. Apart from army, what not and what not the WADAIRA culture is doing in Sindh villages and South Punjab villages. Such people have their own jails. They rape innocent girls of their haaries and mazaraa's and no one can speak against them. Go to your Sindh rural area and check which sort of gods you have in your own so-called Islamic country. Correct them before instituting ur Jehad in Kashmir. So it is very simple to raise the emotions by using such examples but before doing this we should understand all the pros and cons. I know you cannot understand it. Rest of ganddi zuban used by you does not affect the truth. This is what you are up to.
In your post you also made emotional speech about the innocent killings of muslim women and rapes therewith on partition of sub-continent. I agree with this speech but I must also add that this was done on both sides. This happens whenever some big goal is achieved. This was a political effort which was ruined by all people of that combined society whether they were Hindus or Sikhs or Muslims. This was expression of avenge and this happens in such situations. All were the ZAALIMS and all were the MAZLOOMS regardless of citizenship and religion. Apply your mind to understand it. My TAYA (my father's cousin; who died some months ago) who had been eye witness of beheaded nude carcasses / corpse of hindu and sikh men and women on the roads of Pakistani Punjab's cities was used to tell us all such incidents of his tender age. This cannot be covered in the context in which we are carrying out this debate. This had nothing to do with Taaliban, USA or Kashmir. Don't twist the things.
Now at the end what can I say about the poetry you wrote. Saying anything like this about a Sovereign country which accepts you country's dignity and independence is invalid in my opinion. Still it is your personal thought and no one would be affected with this ROOS, INDIA, SHOULAY, AMRICA etc. Keep on singing this stuff. Nothing can make us capable except educational, technical and economical progress.
Hope you cannot understand it.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
