08-04-2008, 11:08 PM
Dears,
This was what I actually pointed out as âJahaalatâ embedded in the thinking of those who at large call themselves religious in Pakistan. Amir so oftenly don't think what he is writing and eventually corrects his own uttered garbage subsequently. This differentiation between Jews and Zionists clarified by his wise-self is one such example. No wonder if I start debating Zionists with him, he will once again change his stance. He is habitual of doing this. No wonders.
Rest of mess created by the above two guys is also reflective of their mental capacity and carries no wonders at all. The madness when reaches at this stage becomes incurable I think. I will not abuse any of the above two guys because I don't have learnt to do so. SHAHBAZ, MY BROTHER, FORGOT THE GUIDELINE OF THE HADEES WHICH WAS RECENTLY QUOTED BY HIS OWN HANDS. This is again amazing and one must feel something about the difference in teachings and doings at his part. We should remember that we have been told not to prohibit a child from eating sweets if we have ourselves eaten them. I just want people to see what the so-called (closed-ended) religious minds are? People should know the facts on ground. These are the reasons that took us to the point where we are. No body else has any fault.
No muslim can disagree that Quran and Sunnah is the best guideline for muslims. Still, if we learn how each of the Khulfaa-e-Rashideen R.Z. have ruled their tenures, we will find so many differences of treatments and methodologies. When we come to Ahadees (that is in fact the explanation of Quran and Sunnah), we find very dissimilar interpretations on so many aspects in various books of Ahadees. This is another issue that we call some Ahadees as Zaeef and some as true. Some of our religious leaders don't even feel God's fear in calling very respectable names among Sahaba-e-Karam and Tabeh Taabe'een as fabricators of Ahadees. [NAOOZBILLAH]. When we further come down to Imaams we further find variety of explanations and methodologies and the disputed issues had been enormous. At the end when we come down the track to the level of Ulema, we find hell of differences in their opinions, methodologies, decisions, fatawa's and so on.
This is not as simple and as emotional as has been tried to be explained by Amir. Just as an example when Qadiyaanies were declared non-muslims, it is the written history that how difficult it proved to be to define the term Muslim. The definition given by each sect of Ulemas was rendering all others as non-muslim. No one was exception. This is a recorded fact. Every one who has doubt should study what actually happened. I have so many times referred such religious ones to study their own history. THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS SAID THAT THIS ACHIEVEMENT WAS ONLY AND ONLY DUE TO BHUTTO'S WISDOM, A CLEAN SHAVED MAN, (irrespective of whatever he was) AND NO AALIM SHOULD BE GIVEN CREDIT FOR THE RESOLUTION OF THIS MATTER.
So, the things require the application of mind. If Quran and Sunnah is the only interpretation then who will decide that which Sunnah and which Hadees and which interpretation was correct and which was fabricated. If this has been the one thing in hand then why the incidence of Imam Hussain Raziallah Ta'ala took place. If this is the only thing to be followed then why there occurred so many conflicts in the outset of Islamic history which took the precious lives of thousands of most noble muslims of that era including three KHULFAA-E-RASHIDEEN RAZIALLAH ANHUMA. If every thing is to be resolved so simply then what was the need of Fiqah's and specially the varying Fiqah's for various sects of Muslims? I know nothing could be understood to illiterate ones.
If the solution is so simple then why Amir and I differ? I don't call him agent of any one as I know this is fool's escape but how he can call me and any one else as agent of other lobbies. This all is just because we have to find out the solution and we have real differences. If solution was so simple then what was the reason of creation of approaches like Taaliban and Anti-Taaliban. Quran and Sunnah are of course the most important guidelines but these require interpretation and explanation more specifically in practical terms. So many Ulemas are trying to do it from ages. Therefore, one must note that this is not as simple as has been concluded.
I stressed that secularism has taken so much from Islamic concepts e.g adopting peace, welfare and mid-ways, which we are lacking in our own societies. We need to find it out. The concept of FALAHI HAKOOMAT adopted by western countries is of initial Muslim state. We can find basic guidelines in Quran but we don't find its practical implementation in the time of Prophet PBUH because there was no settled state at that time. Rather we see its implementation in the era of Hazrat Umer Bin Khattab R.Z. This was a best practice and we cannot leave it calling that it was not a part of Sunnah. This is what I want to point out and what requires application of mind. Western nations have taken this concept for their own nations and we have left it. This has now been made part of secularism and we the muslims, who were its founders are now lacking it just because of the mindsets reflected by people like Amir. This is one of such examples which I see the secularism and west has taken from Islam. We should have no shame in adopting it back. Should we have Amir? There could be so many other examples.
I also quote a Hadees to which Amir can say Zaeef or Fabricated but it is a Hadees to my belief
"HIKMAT KE BAAT MOMAN KE GUMSHUDA MEERAS HAI".
We have been advised to adopt whatever beneficial and logical could we observe generally. Islam is very open. No other religion can even have any comparison with its peacefulness, sweet and logical approach and adoptability in specific circumstances.
I can however understand how difficult this meritorious point is for some one to get hold of.
I once told my brother Goodman, that, the dirty language used by others cannot abstain me from doing my job. After-all some one has to take the responsibility. Dirty language simply depict the dirt of others and do not as such affect me. I have already quoted what has been guided by the Sunnah.
May Allah bless us to understand what he desires from us. Of course every fact is only known to Allah.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
This was what I actually pointed out as âJahaalatâ embedded in the thinking of those who at large call themselves religious in Pakistan. Amir so oftenly don't think what he is writing and eventually corrects his own uttered garbage subsequently. This differentiation between Jews and Zionists clarified by his wise-self is one such example. No wonder if I start debating Zionists with him, he will once again change his stance. He is habitual of doing this. No wonders.
Rest of mess created by the above two guys is also reflective of their mental capacity and carries no wonders at all. The madness when reaches at this stage becomes incurable I think. I will not abuse any of the above two guys because I don't have learnt to do so. SHAHBAZ, MY BROTHER, FORGOT THE GUIDELINE OF THE HADEES WHICH WAS RECENTLY QUOTED BY HIS OWN HANDS. This is again amazing and one must feel something about the difference in teachings and doings at his part. We should remember that we have been told not to prohibit a child from eating sweets if we have ourselves eaten them. I just want people to see what the so-called (closed-ended) religious minds are? People should know the facts on ground. These are the reasons that took us to the point where we are. No body else has any fault.
No muslim can disagree that Quran and Sunnah is the best guideline for muslims. Still, if we learn how each of the Khulfaa-e-Rashideen R.Z. have ruled their tenures, we will find so many differences of treatments and methodologies. When we come to Ahadees (that is in fact the explanation of Quran and Sunnah), we find very dissimilar interpretations on so many aspects in various books of Ahadees. This is another issue that we call some Ahadees as Zaeef and some as true. Some of our religious leaders don't even feel God's fear in calling very respectable names among Sahaba-e-Karam and Tabeh Taabe'een as fabricators of Ahadees. [NAOOZBILLAH]. When we further come down to Imaams we further find variety of explanations and methodologies and the disputed issues had been enormous. At the end when we come down the track to the level of Ulema, we find hell of differences in their opinions, methodologies, decisions, fatawa's and so on.
This is not as simple and as emotional as has been tried to be explained by Amir. Just as an example when Qadiyaanies were declared non-muslims, it is the written history that how difficult it proved to be to define the term Muslim. The definition given by each sect of Ulemas was rendering all others as non-muslim. No one was exception. This is a recorded fact. Every one who has doubt should study what actually happened. I have so many times referred such religious ones to study their own history. THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS SAID THAT THIS ACHIEVEMENT WAS ONLY AND ONLY DUE TO BHUTTO'S WISDOM, A CLEAN SHAVED MAN, (irrespective of whatever he was) AND NO AALIM SHOULD BE GIVEN CREDIT FOR THE RESOLUTION OF THIS MATTER.
So, the things require the application of mind. If Quran and Sunnah is the only interpretation then who will decide that which Sunnah and which Hadees and which interpretation was correct and which was fabricated. If this has been the one thing in hand then why the incidence of Imam Hussain Raziallah Ta'ala took place. If this is the only thing to be followed then why there occurred so many conflicts in the outset of Islamic history which took the precious lives of thousands of most noble muslims of that era including three KHULFAA-E-RASHIDEEN RAZIALLAH ANHUMA. If every thing is to be resolved so simply then what was the need of Fiqah's and specially the varying Fiqah's for various sects of Muslims? I know nothing could be understood to illiterate ones.
If the solution is so simple then why Amir and I differ? I don't call him agent of any one as I know this is fool's escape but how he can call me and any one else as agent of other lobbies. This all is just because we have to find out the solution and we have real differences. If solution was so simple then what was the reason of creation of approaches like Taaliban and Anti-Taaliban. Quran and Sunnah are of course the most important guidelines but these require interpretation and explanation more specifically in practical terms. So many Ulemas are trying to do it from ages. Therefore, one must note that this is not as simple as has been concluded.
I stressed that secularism has taken so much from Islamic concepts e.g adopting peace, welfare and mid-ways, which we are lacking in our own societies. We need to find it out. The concept of FALAHI HAKOOMAT adopted by western countries is of initial Muslim state. We can find basic guidelines in Quran but we don't find its practical implementation in the time of Prophet PBUH because there was no settled state at that time. Rather we see its implementation in the era of Hazrat Umer Bin Khattab R.Z. This was a best practice and we cannot leave it calling that it was not a part of Sunnah. This is what I want to point out and what requires application of mind. Western nations have taken this concept for their own nations and we have left it. This has now been made part of secularism and we the muslims, who were its founders are now lacking it just because of the mindsets reflected by people like Amir. This is one of such examples which I see the secularism and west has taken from Islam. We should have no shame in adopting it back. Should we have Amir? There could be so many other examples.
I also quote a Hadees to which Amir can say Zaeef or Fabricated but it is a Hadees to my belief
"HIKMAT KE BAAT MOMAN KE GUMSHUDA MEERAS HAI".
We have been advised to adopt whatever beneficial and logical could we observe generally. Islam is very open. No other religion can even have any comparison with its peacefulness, sweet and logical approach and adoptability in specific circumstances.
I can however understand how difficult this meritorious point is for some one to get hold of.
I once told my brother Goodman, that, the dirty language used by others cannot abstain me from doing my job. After-all some one has to take the responsibility. Dirty language simply depict the dirt of others and do not as such affect me. I have already quoted what has been guided by the Sunnah.
May Allah bless us to understand what he desires from us. Of course every fact is only known to Allah.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
