ICAP humiliating itself

[mroneflower]

Dear Readers and Ali_87

I do not have any personal problem with anyone including you and Kamran. But to assess any institute calibre one has do its through the institute members. And If I pointed out contradiction in one ‘s two statements it does not means I have something against him.

For coming back to Ali post, first he mentioned that he is totally layman as far as accountancy is concerned, later he mentioned that he is ACCA students. Therefore his two statements are conflicting with each other. I leave it upto Ali to decide whether he is layman as far as accountancy is concerned or is he doing ACCA. I think my this statement answer all of Ali questions. Ali other questions could be ignored on the ground that his one statement conflicts with other and he i smisleading others, but I will still reply to his post.

No one hates ICAP, its ICAP members who force others to hate ICAP, for example Kamran used words like failures, struggler etc many times for other qualified people. These words shows ICAP members hatred towards others and unwillingness to accept others (although no one cares about ICAP in the world).

Moreover, in an other post Kamran went on saying that ACCA who qualified abroad are better than ACCA who qualified in Pakistan (I can give reference if you wish). This statement clearly means it’s a game of retaining prestige in Pakistan by ICAP and its members. I have also seen job advertisement in Pakistan clearly stating ACCA foreign qualified and ACCA Local qualified. Even ACCA does not make such distinction.

You also suggested that as we are Pakistani therefore we should defend ICAP in all circumstance. I am sorry but I do not agree with you, If ICAP has drawback (ICAP has many drawbacks for sure) we should mentioned it. Your strategy to protect and defend ICAP regardless of what ICAP does is not correct. I think because of this mentality of ICAP people ICAP signed MOU with ICAEW whose terms suggest ICAP is third class institute.

Mr Ali, if someone wants to improve, first condition is to listen to others and accept weaknesses which ICAP and its members are not willing to do. Why Indian defend ICAI (India) cause in India ICAI members does not use words like failure, struggler etc and they do respect other professionals. In India people do not say ACCA foreign qualified are better than ACCA local qualified. By the terms of MOU which ICAI (India) has singed with ICAEW showed ICAI(India) has better standing in the world as compared to ICAP, its reality, its upto you to accept it or reject it. Remember ICAEW is ICAP yardstick and not ACCA or mine.

I never defended ICAEW, its ICAP members like Kamran who said record number of times ICAEW is world number one institute for CA and much better than ICAP. Anyway its also debatable topic if ICAEW is world number 1 or not.

You mentioned ICAP members are not imported from outside and they are amongst us. Likewise ACCA members in Pakistan are not imported from outside and they are amongst us, but ICAP and its members use words like failure for them. You are suggesting ICAP people should be allowed to say whatever they want to say and others cannot say anything, INTERESTING.

ACCA vs ICAP issue was not raised by ACCA people it was raised by ICAP people, when time started proving ICAP wrong, ICAP people started using word patriotism. If someone is opposing ICAP it does not means person is against Pakistan. May be ICAP people think they represent Pakistan, Its up to ICAP people.

If Kamran is senior member of this forum, it does not mean we should say yes and agree with him whatever he says. His many statements are factually wrong and it is he who says ICAEW is better than ICAP.

You mentioned ICAP does not pay Kamran to promote ICAP, are you suggesting ACCA pay me to oppose ICAP, Interesting. It’s a game to maintaining market share for ICAP members, but you will not understand.

You mentioned ICAP members have knowledge of local law and tax therefore they are and should be in better position. I have already answered this question. If knowledge of Local laws and tax law is important then why Pakistani courts allows people who do LLB, LLM, Bar at Law from UK to practice in Pakistan. Remember these people do not study Pakistani law and tax they do study Uk law and tax. Are you suggesting ICAP is better than courts. IF ICAP members are in better position then why they are opposing ACCA, they should simply ignore ACCA.

First you say its not worth to go for qualification which forces one to live abroad, then you say you are doing ACCA and working outside Pakistan. You are just giving that advise to other on which you cannot act. Its called hypocrisy.

It’s a proven fact that ICAP does not have any standing outside Pakistan and only ICAP 13 members are working in practice abroad. If I accept this argument that these 13 people are partners in firm situated outside Pakistan, one has to accept that they are also member of other institutes as ICAP is only recognise in Pakistan, no other country recognise ICAP. It would mean ICAP people put their pictures on someone else passport. GOOD.

You said if you have chosen ACCA, it does not mean ACCA is good. It would mean you could not take right decision for yourself and you are advising others what to do. INTERESTING.

As far as rabia-k is concerned, I think you are jealous because being a female she can go for ICAEW and as being a man you cannot, its simple. I cannot oppose someone only because she is female. It could be ICAP policy but definitely not ACCA policy. ACCA is very pround that it is attracting record number of females who are ACCA strength.

rabia-k, mentioned that ICAEW should be compared with CPA(USA). ICAP does not recognize CAP(USA) cause CPA(USA) has only 4 papers, but ICAP fully recognize ICAA(Aus) which has 5 papers. Actually ICAP does not know what it is doing.

Last thing, I am not the person who started ACCA vs ICAP debate on this particular thread, I was forced to answer when ICAP people started this. I never said ICAEW is world number 1 institute, actually ICAP people said it.

Khalid