01-13-2009, 05:24 PM
Rabia,
I don't say that every ACCA is a failure. Further, the struggler is not a weird term at all. That was what I tried to make you understand. If you are not up to it, what can I do for you? You are just concluding your own results and off course you are free to do so. You said you know nothing about Pakistan and still you are making claims. This is the reason of your ignorance, I have already told you.
No body says that one who gets failed in CA should not do ACCA. You have not made any point by mentioning it. I guess you are a new member of the forum and you don't know how this discussion has been evolved over the period. How absurd and reckless certain ACCA stuff at Pakistan is, may not be known to you. Every one who gets failed in one field should try the other. There is no harm. This way one remains a struggler and struggle is the best thing in life. The point to understand is that one should accept that he/she got failed from CA for his own reasons and no one gets failed in any competition due to biases or wrong policies. The main issue of those who are referred as failures is that they start and keep on alleging the policies and biases of the institute which declares them failure. They don't understand that it's their own fault or limitation that they could not got through. That particular class is the failure that does not come out of the âgrapes are sourâ state of mind. So I donât have any misconception. I donât call you foolish or silly at this stage because I know you are unaware of facts.
Shoaib is right in saying that;
âit is almost impossible for fresh ACCAs to find any respectable position in Pakistani marketâ
If you have concerns with the word ârespectableâ then Shoaib should be requested to replace it with some other suitable synonym giving the meanings intended by him. These synonyms could be âreputableâ or âhighly regardedâ or âwell thought ofâ or even âgoodâ. Respectable in such circumstances does not mean to regard any one as sweeper etc. (If we go out of the context, I feel a sweeper could also be totally respectable). Here respectable meant to be on good positions. ACCAs donât have very attractive demand in Pakistan. Any one who knows Pakistani market can deduce the similar results. I donât go in any lengthy debate. If some one is happy with the rare cases, I have no objection on his pleasure.
As far as minding my own business is concerned, yes, I am strict to mind my own business. However, since this is a discussion forum, we are at liberty to discuss such matters. You cannot hamper such discussion. The very title subject of this thread is creation of an ACCA who is minding his so-called business probably. If the Admin has no objection on such titles, no one can raise such a question. You can also check the language of some mentally retarded people that your infra-red has probably not captured. However, go through the whole forum threads and you will not find a single qualified CA starting any such thread with similar titles for other designations unless something has been warranted to get the answer. I guess wherever you will find anything; it would only be a reply or clarification to balance the impact for new comers so that they donât get affected with one side of the picture. I am not stopping any one from doing ACCA. I only tell the facts and as a matter of fact I never hide the ACCAâs position at UK or UAE. You can check other posts as well. I cannot, however, help you if you are unable to get to the right conclusion about others.
Khalidâs absurd comparisons and statements speak their-selves and normally donât bother me too much to make too much detailed elaborations. He should check the origin of the Big 4 firms to know what CAs had the role in such firms. He may also check other well recognized firms. If a firm will go beyond the border it will have to depend upon local charter-holders. Where CPAs are local charter-holders, they have to run the business but this cannot change the facts about origination and control. I know the word âcharterâ creates itch to him but it has to remain the fact.
The difference between ACCA at UK and ACCA at Pakistan is because of certain reasons specific to ACCA. These have been time and again discussed on this forum. The poor input it gets, lack of any criteria to accept the input, the poor status it has in Pakistan i.e. merely a company incorporated under section 42 of the Companies ordinance, 1984, the poor monitoring and treatment of/to students (I have its instances), the poor market demand for ACCAs locally and lack of proper efforts by the chapter to change the situation etc. Further, this difference is seen when we see Pakistani ACCAs struggling in UK in competition with UKâs ACCAs. One who knows UK should understand that at the moment accountancy is not considered a difficult qualification and there is abundance of locally produced accountants at UK market with different designations. When a Pakistan based ACCA will compete UK based ACCA for a job, traditionally things go in the favor of UKâs ACCA. This might be due to so many valid or invalid reasons. This is the picture of a general situation and certain people may have gone thorough different experience but number of such people would be meager.
The statement about some oneâs father being a diplomat working at foreign office is not absurd at all. If some dumb cannot understand that such things are not mentioned without having some general examples, we cannot take him out of the foolish state of mind.
Leaving apart all such debate, ACCA will not engulf the whole world including Pakistan against the firm belief of Khalid for such happening with the time frame he has given. I will bear with him to analyze his belief in upcoming days.
Regards,
KAMRAN
I don't say that every ACCA is a failure. Further, the struggler is not a weird term at all. That was what I tried to make you understand. If you are not up to it, what can I do for you? You are just concluding your own results and off course you are free to do so. You said you know nothing about Pakistan and still you are making claims. This is the reason of your ignorance, I have already told you.
No body says that one who gets failed in CA should not do ACCA. You have not made any point by mentioning it. I guess you are a new member of the forum and you don't know how this discussion has been evolved over the period. How absurd and reckless certain ACCA stuff at Pakistan is, may not be known to you. Every one who gets failed in one field should try the other. There is no harm. This way one remains a struggler and struggle is the best thing in life. The point to understand is that one should accept that he/she got failed from CA for his own reasons and no one gets failed in any competition due to biases or wrong policies. The main issue of those who are referred as failures is that they start and keep on alleging the policies and biases of the institute which declares them failure. They don't understand that it's their own fault or limitation that they could not got through. That particular class is the failure that does not come out of the âgrapes are sourâ state of mind. So I donât have any misconception. I donât call you foolish or silly at this stage because I know you are unaware of facts.
Shoaib is right in saying that;
âit is almost impossible for fresh ACCAs to find any respectable position in Pakistani marketâ
If you have concerns with the word ârespectableâ then Shoaib should be requested to replace it with some other suitable synonym giving the meanings intended by him. These synonyms could be âreputableâ or âhighly regardedâ or âwell thought ofâ or even âgoodâ. Respectable in such circumstances does not mean to regard any one as sweeper etc. (If we go out of the context, I feel a sweeper could also be totally respectable). Here respectable meant to be on good positions. ACCAs donât have very attractive demand in Pakistan. Any one who knows Pakistani market can deduce the similar results. I donât go in any lengthy debate. If some one is happy with the rare cases, I have no objection on his pleasure.
As far as minding my own business is concerned, yes, I am strict to mind my own business. However, since this is a discussion forum, we are at liberty to discuss such matters. You cannot hamper such discussion. The very title subject of this thread is creation of an ACCA who is minding his so-called business probably. If the Admin has no objection on such titles, no one can raise such a question. You can also check the language of some mentally retarded people that your infra-red has probably not captured. However, go through the whole forum threads and you will not find a single qualified CA starting any such thread with similar titles for other designations unless something has been warranted to get the answer. I guess wherever you will find anything; it would only be a reply or clarification to balance the impact for new comers so that they donât get affected with one side of the picture. I am not stopping any one from doing ACCA. I only tell the facts and as a matter of fact I never hide the ACCAâs position at UK or UAE. You can check other posts as well. I cannot, however, help you if you are unable to get to the right conclusion about others.
Khalidâs absurd comparisons and statements speak their-selves and normally donât bother me too much to make too much detailed elaborations. He should check the origin of the Big 4 firms to know what CAs had the role in such firms. He may also check other well recognized firms. If a firm will go beyond the border it will have to depend upon local charter-holders. Where CPAs are local charter-holders, they have to run the business but this cannot change the facts about origination and control. I know the word âcharterâ creates itch to him but it has to remain the fact.
The difference between ACCA at UK and ACCA at Pakistan is because of certain reasons specific to ACCA. These have been time and again discussed on this forum. The poor input it gets, lack of any criteria to accept the input, the poor status it has in Pakistan i.e. merely a company incorporated under section 42 of the Companies ordinance, 1984, the poor monitoring and treatment of/to students (I have its instances), the poor market demand for ACCAs locally and lack of proper efforts by the chapter to change the situation etc. Further, this difference is seen when we see Pakistani ACCAs struggling in UK in competition with UKâs ACCAs. One who knows UK should understand that at the moment accountancy is not considered a difficult qualification and there is abundance of locally produced accountants at UK market with different designations. When a Pakistan based ACCA will compete UK based ACCA for a job, traditionally things go in the favor of UKâs ACCA. This might be due to so many valid or invalid reasons. This is the picture of a general situation and certain people may have gone thorough different experience but number of such people would be meager.
The statement about some oneâs father being a diplomat working at foreign office is not absurd at all. If some dumb cannot understand that such things are not mentioned without having some general examples, we cannot take him out of the foolish state of mind.
Leaving apart all such debate, ACCA will not engulf the whole world including Pakistan against the firm belief of Khalid for such happening with the time frame he has given. I will bear with him to analyze his belief in upcoming days.
Regards,
KAMRAN
