01-16-2009, 12:07 PM
so you ICAP people will never accept reality which is the bottom line. And if you think Singapore, Malaysian, Canada are not important then what I could do for u. As far as Ghana is concerned ICAP is not even recognized there. People can see his mental level who think Ghana as a country should not be mentioned.
As far as Brand of the yr award is concerned, ACCA did not invite Pakistani Prime Minister to ACCA award. It looks you are saying ACCA gave award to itself. This award is given to ACCA by Pakistani Government. Even if I accept your point that ACCA invited Prime Minister then y prime minister accepted it, cause ACCA is highly respected in Pakistan. If you do not accept Pakistani Govt then only ALLAH helps you.
And obviously ICAP people like Sadaf who are going qualifications after qualifications shows they are not satisfied with ICAP. Keep it up Sadaf and plz inform all of us when you will be fully satisfied with your qualifications. Sadaf is proud because ICAP is lower in quality than ICAI(India).
Sadaf by the way Uk graduation is of 16 yrs and Pakistani education of 16 yrs is equals to UK graduation which means your claim that no other Pakistani qualification is recognized in UK is wrong. Actually ACA from ICAP is the only pakistani qualification which is not recognized abroad anywhere.
Anyway CAT are exempted from ICAEW five papers with 3 yrs of training. ICAP members are exempted from ICAEW 11 papers with 2 yrs training. I am not comparing CAT with ICAP but still CAT finds job in Pakistan. What are the factors behind MOU of this kind, can you kindly explain only factor is that ICAP is not comparable to international ACAs where ACCA is.
Kamran agreed with Shoaib definition of UK ACCA Qualified and Pakistani ACCA qualified. Here is the contradiction in Kamran statements
Click on link below and read post number 29
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6122
Kamran said <font color="red">First of all let me tell what I mean by saying Pakistani ACCAs. This means ACCAs who did ACCA while living in Pakistan and utilizing Pakistani facilities and then, after qualifying going abroad to find jobs. This does not include Pakistanies who go abroad, get admission and become well versed with that environment and find opportunities. In fact I never particularly discuss this category in any of my post.</font id="red">
He further said in the same post <font color="red">The guys who get articles in UK either for CA or ACCA are luckiest and in most of the cases have very strong backgrounds. No body can negate this fact.</font id="red">
It means he is saying Pakistani ACCA UK qualified and Pakistani ACCA Local qualified, Rubbish.
In the same post he further said <font color="red">In CANADA, CGA is a prestigious qualification. ACCA cannot have comparison with it in CANADA so this example does not suit at all.</font id="red">
But when he was told that ACCA is fully recognized by CGA Canada he changed his statement on the same thread in post number 33 and said <font color="red">CGA is an accepted local qualification of CANADA but still it is preferred after CA of CANADA.</font id="red">
Remember is post number 29 he said CGA Canada is <b>prestigious</b> qualification then after knowing about ACCA and CGA Canada MRA he sudden taken U-turn. He also said in another post which I have mentioned later in this post that ACCA is well behind CGA Canada.
In same post i.e number 33 he said <font color="red">You see Pakistani ACCAs always measure their importance in terms of exemptions available to them</font id="red">.
Means he I again saying Pakistani ACCA means non-Pakistani ACCA as well. Rubbish
Some of Kamran more Blunders.
Click on link below
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4840
read post number 17, It said <font color="red">In some areas I agree with the statement of wandering star. ICAP has monopoly in Pakistan being the local charter.</font id="red">
So he accepted ICAP has monopolistic policies.
In the same post (17) in point 4 he said <font color="red">Since ACCA is simply an association and not a major charterholder of any country like CAs and normally operates through a company incorporated for such purpose (in Pakistan under section 42 of CO84), it does not compete the local charterholder anywhere in the world</font id="red">
I have already answered this. As far as word Chartered is concerned it does not belongs to ICAP, ICAP just stole it.
In point 4 of same post he further said <font color="red">mean check it in Pakistan, India, China, Canada, USA, Australia, Malaysia, Hong kong and even in UK where it(ACCA) got some sort of charter I think.</font id="red">
So he claimed ACCA is not even Chartered in UK. ACCA is already recognized in most of the countries he mentioned means China, Canada, Australia, Malaysia. In Hong Kong ACCA operated under joint scheme for almost more than 30 yrs. Joint scheme is not available now in Hong Kong. In china ACCA has strategic alliance with CPA.
Lick on link below
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5432
Read post number 9 where he said <font color="red">I mention that I dont regard CIMAs or CMAs or ACCAs as chartered accountants.</font id="red">
I have already explained that ACCA are Chartered Accountant. CIMA is also chartered body. Actually word Chartered does not belong to Pakistan and ICAP has nothing to do with this word. ICAP stole this word.
On the following link
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5432
In post number 31 he said
<font color="red">In canada ACCA is much behind CA and CGA. It cannot compete both of them. There is a difficulty to find out jobs for ACCA</font id="red">.
ACCA is fully recognized in Canada as ACCA has MRA in place with CGA Canada and there ACCA can perform audit of plc. Do i need to exaplin what is meant by plc for ICAP people.
In same post he further said <font color="red">in Sudia Arabia CA from UK, CPA from USA and CA from Pakistan/India are preferred. Jobs are also given to ACCAs but in rare cases they are occupying top seats.</font id="red">
He is saying in Sudia Arabia ICAP is preferred over ACCA, Again Rubblish.
He went on saying in the same post that <font color="red">in UAE and Gulf CA from UK, CPA from USA, CA from Pakistan and India are preferred.</font id="red">
Its again rubbish that ICAP is preferred over ACCA in UAE. Actually its opposite.
In same post he said <font color="red">in India There is a big number of indian CAs in india who dont even find jobs in their country and accept meager salaries internationally. ACCA also compete them but proportion of jobs and status of their jobs is nominal.</font id="red">
Time has proven ICAI(India) has stronger voice than ICAP. Moreover in India there are only 300 ACCA members.
In post number 32 of following link
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5961
Kamran said <font color="red">You talk about globalization and also restrict the efforts of such institutes on idvidual basis. ACCA born much much after development of double entry accounting system and so many other professional developments. It has used all the work of others (u know ACCA did not propose any new accounting system other than double entry) to develop its own study texts.</font id="red">
The oldest CA institute of Chartered Accountant of Scoltand which is 150 yrs old born much much after development of double entry system.
First he is said ACCA born much much after development of double entry accounting system and so many other professional developments then he said u know ACCA did not propose any new accounting system other than double entry.
Has this man gone mad. In any case ACCA is much older than ICAP. If he does not history of double entry I am more than happy to educate him. CRAP Man.
In the same post he said <font color="red">CPA is also available in China and some other countries. Now I dont know whether or not it is under USA</font id="red">.
It looks he think all CPAs of the world are connected to each other in the same way he think all ACAs of the world are connected to each others including ICAP. People can see his caliber who judge something by name.
If you clink on following link and read post number 22
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5341
<font color="red">"lets think if I being an ACCA(Member) go to an employer who has a package of 100,000 for this vacancy plus a CULTUS.....And i speak their core urdu....and when he asked me that what is this ACCA...i tell him that It is world's fastest and largest growing accountancy body situated in UK</font id="red">"
I do not know what kind of rubbish example this man is giving and misleading young students.
People can see Kamran posts are based on assumptions. Everyone knows about ACCA and what is meant by It is <b>WORLDâs</b> fastest and largest growing accountancy body situated in <b>UK</b>"
I can keep on pointing his rubbish posts. Now people would have an idea he and ICAP does not know anything. They are totally rubbish.
So all ACCA students and members including Rabia should not worry about these hypocrites.
I do not think there will be need to reply to this CRAP Man posts. Rubbish.
I am not going to point things out from Sadaf as she bussy in collecting qualifications, carry on. As far as Shoaib I think he does not know what he is saying.
This is the caliber of ICAP people that is why I say ACA from ICAP should be compared with CAT.
Anyway I will be out of London for a week.
Khalid
As far as Brand of the yr award is concerned, ACCA did not invite Pakistani Prime Minister to ACCA award. It looks you are saying ACCA gave award to itself. This award is given to ACCA by Pakistani Government. Even if I accept your point that ACCA invited Prime Minister then y prime minister accepted it, cause ACCA is highly respected in Pakistan. If you do not accept Pakistani Govt then only ALLAH helps you.
And obviously ICAP people like Sadaf who are going qualifications after qualifications shows they are not satisfied with ICAP. Keep it up Sadaf and plz inform all of us when you will be fully satisfied with your qualifications. Sadaf is proud because ICAP is lower in quality than ICAI(India).
Sadaf by the way Uk graduation is of 16 yrs and Pakistani education of 16 yrs is equals to UK graduation which means your claim that no other Pakistani qualification is recognized in UK is wrong. Actually ACA from ICAP is the only pakistani qualification which is not recognized abroad anywhere.
Anyway CAT are exempted from ICAEW five papers with 3 yrs of training. ICAP members are exempted from ICAEW 11 papers with 2 yrs training. I am not comparing CAT with ICAP but still CAT finds job in Pakistan. What are the factors behind MOU of this kind, can you kindly explain only factor is that ICAP is not comparable to international ACAs where ACCA is.
Kamran agreed with Shoaib definition of UK ACCA Qualified and Pakistani ACCA qualified. Here is the contradiction in Kamran statements
Click on link below and read post number 29
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6122
Kamran said <font color="red">First of all let me tell what I mean by saying Pakistani ACCAs. This means ACCAs who did ACCA while living in Pakistan and utilizing Pakistani facilities and then, after qualifying going abroad to find jobs. This does not include Pakistanies who go abroad, get admission and become well versed with that environment and find opportunities. In fact I never particularly discuss this category in any of my post.</font id="red">
He further said in the same post <font color="red">The guys who get articles in UK either for CA or ACCA are luckiest and in most of the cases have very strong backgrounds. No body can negate this fact.</font id="red">
It means he is saying Pakistani ACCA UK qualified and Pakistani ACCA Local qualified, Rubbish.
In the same post he further said <font color="red">In CANADA, CGA is a prestigious qualification. ACCA cannot have comparison with it in CANADA so this example does not suit at all.</font id="red">
But when he was told that ACCA is fully recognized by CGA Canada he changed his statement on the same thread in post number 33 and said <font color="red">CGA is an accepted local qualification of CANADA but still it is preferred after CA of CANADA.</font id="red">
Remember is post number 29 he said CGA Canada is <b>prestigious</b> qualification then after knowing about ACCA and CGA Canada MRA he sudden taken U-turn. He also said in another post which I have mentioned later in this post that ACCA is well behind CGA Canada.
In same post i.e number 33 he said <font color="red">You see Pakistani ACCAs always measure their importance in terms of exemptions available to them</font id="red">.
Means he I again saying Pakistani ACCA means non-Pakistani ACCA as well. Rubbish
Some of Kamran more Blunders.
Click on link below
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4840
read post number 17, It said <font color="red">In some areas I agree with the statement of wandering star. ICAP has monopoly in Pakistan being the local charter.</font id="red">
So he accepted ICAP has monopolistic policies.
In the same post (17) in point 4 he said <font color="red">Since ACCA is simply an association and not a major charterholder of any country like CAs and normally operates through a company incorporated for such purpose (in Pakistan under section 42 of CO84), it does not compete the local charterholder anywhere in the world</font id="red">
I have already answered this. As far as word Chartered is concerned it does not belongs to ICAP, ICAP just stole it.
In point 4 of same post he further said <font color="red">mean check it in Pakistan, India, China, Canada, USA, Australia, Malaysia, Hong kong and even in UK where it(ACCA) got some sort of charter I think.</font id="red">
So he claimed ACCA is not even Chartered in UK. ACCA is already recognized in most of the countries he mentioned means China, Canada, Australia, Malaysia. In Hong Kong ACCA operated under joint scheme for almost more than 30 yrs. Joint scheme is not available now in Hong Kong. In china ACCA has strategic alliance with CPA.
Lick on link below
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5432
Read post number 9 where he said <font color="red">I mention that I dont regard CIMAs or CMAs or ACCAs as chartered accountants.</font id="red">
I have already explained that ACCA are Chartered Accountant. CIMA is also chartered body. Actually word Chartered does not belong to Pakistan and ICAP has nothing to do with this word. ICAP stole this word.
On the following link
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5432
In post number 31 he said
<font color="red">In canada ACCA is much behind CA and CGA. It cannot compete both of them. There is a difficulty to find out jobs for ACCA</font id="red">.
ACCA is fully recognized in Canada as ACCA has MRA in place with CGA Canada and there ACCA can perform audit of plc. Do i need to exaplin what is meant by plc for ICAP people.
In same post he further said <font color="red">in Sudia Arabia CA from UK, CPA from USA and CA from Pakistan/India are preferred. Jobs are also given to ACCAs but in rare cases they are occupying top seats.</font id="red">
He is saying in Sudia Arabia ICAP is preferred over ACCA, Again Rubblish.
He went on saying in the same post that <font color="red">in UAE and Gulf CA from UK, CPA from USA, CA from Pakistan and India are preferred.</font id="red">
Its again rubbish that ICAP is preferred over ACCA in UAE. Actually its opposite.
In same post he said <font color="red">in India There is a big number of indian CAs in india who dont even find jobs in their country and accept meager salaries internationally. ACCA also compete them but proportion of jobs and status of their jobs is nominal.</font id="red">
Time has proven ICAI(India) has stronger voice than ICAP. Moreover in India there are only 300 ACCA members.
In post number 32 of following link
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5961
Kamran said <font color="red">You talk about globalization and also restrict the efforts of such institutes on idvidual basis. ACCA born much much after development of double entry accounting system and so many other professional developments. It has used all the work of others (u know ACCA did not propose any new accounting system other than double entry) to develop its own study texts.</font id="red">
The oldest CA institute of Chartered Accountant of Scoltand which is 150 yrs old born much much after development of double entry system.
First he is said ACCA born much much after development of double entry accounting system and so many other professional developments then he said u know ACCA did not propose any new accounting system other than double entry.
Has this man gone mad. In any case ACCA is much older than ICAP. If he does not history of double entry I am more than happy to educate him. CRAP Man.
In the same post he said <font color="red">CPA is also available in China and some other countries. Now I dont know whether or not it is under USA</font id="red">.
It looks he think all CPAs of the world are connected to each other in the same way he think all ACAs of the world are connected to each others including ICAP. People can see his caliber who judge something by name.
If you clink on following link and read post number 22
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5341
<font color="red">"lets think if I being an ACCA(Member) go to an employer who has a package of 100,000 for this vacancy plus a CULTUS.....And i speak their core urdu....and when he asked me that what is this ACCA...i tell him that It is world's fastest and largest growing accountancy body situated in UK</font id="red">"
I do not know what kind of rubbish example this man is giving and misleading young students.
People can see Kamran posts are based on assumptions. Everyone knows about ACCA and what is meant by It is <b>WORLDâs</b> fastest and largest growing accountancy body situated in <b>UK</b>"
I can keep on pointing his rubbish posts. Now people would have an idea he and ICAP does not know anything. They are totally rubbish.
So all ACCA students and members including Rabia should not worry about these hypocrites.
I do not think there will be need to reply to this CRAP Man posts. Rubbish.
I am not going to point things out from Sadaf as she bussy in collecting qualifications, carry on. As far as Shoaib I think he does not know what he is saying.
This is the caliber of ICAP people that is why I say ACA from ICAP should be compared with CAT.
Anyway I will be out of London for a week.
Khalid
