10-19-2009, 11:46 PM
ad2478 / Awais / Astute
Dears,
The opinion carried or expressed by any member about any college, institute or qualification is always personal and based upon one's own understanding and real life experience. Such opinion is neither binding nor compulsorily correct.
I opined that every UK qualification cannot be better than comparable Pakistani qualifications (and vice versa). This is my own view and certainly has basis on which it is framed. Similarly, I feel CIMA is better than ICMAP. This is also not comulsorily be a correct view since it is a personal viewpoint that has been expressed on a public forum without humiliating any of these institutes. Why ACCAs are not better than CAs and why CIMA is better than ICMAP can be discussed on another thread within the limits of decency, if needed. However, this would again be a discussion based upon facts from both sides and we know such discussions do not and can not conclude anything since this is the essense of public forums. The real results can be gathered from market based evidence only.
Like-wise I have no objection if any one of you feels that he or his knowledge or his institute is larger than ICAP or CIMA or any other person or institute; or is even larger than life. This makes no issue until the discussion remains within the limits. I hope this matter stands resolved.
The rough language used at any thread about members or any professional body or institute should be monitored by Admin, which hopefully be doing his work. If I have done so, it should also strictly be viewed.
As far as Hadees quoted by Astute is concerned; it was once quoted by me as well where we discussed and researched various sources and gathered the evidences for which it is called Zaeef. We learn life long; there is no issue in accepting it; I also learnt after a great deal of search that this Hadees is not found in any of Sahi Books of Ahaadees. However, very renowned Ulema have also agreed that although it is called Zaeef but denying its existence will be incorrect since it does not collide with the actual message of Islam and Propeht (PBUH) about education. However, this is the positive view only. Sahi Books of Ahaadees have quoted some Ahaadees about education. One of those is
"seek knowledge from your birth (swing) to your death (grave)".
This Hadees is enough for us to understand what Islam requires. However, definition of religion its messages and its interpretations differ from person to person and sect to sect, so we cannot and should not go a long way in debating negative discussions. Otherwise why this Hadees was called Zaeef and why it was not taken in Sahi Books has some contradictory historical statements, even from renowned people. Since this is very delicate matter, I dont wish to go at length on this issue.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
Dears,
The opinion carried or expressed by any member about any college, institute or qualification is always personal and based upon one's own understanding and real life experience. Such opinion is neither binding nor compulsorily correct.
I opined that every UK qualification cannot be better than comparable Pakistani qualifications (and vice versa). This is my own view and certainly has basis on which it is framed. Similarly, I feel CIMA is better than ICMAP. This is also not comulsorily be a correct view since it is a personal viewpoint that has been expressed on a public forum without humiliating any of these institutes. Why ACCAs are not better than CAs and why CIMA is better than ICMAP can be discussed on another thread within the limits of decency, if needed. However, this would again be a discussion based upon facts from both sides and we know such discussions do not and can not conclude anything since this is the essense of public forums. The real results can be gathered from market based evidence only.
Like-wise I have no objection if any one of you feels that he or his knowledge or his institute is larger than ICAP or CIMA or any other person or institute; or is even larger than life. This makes no issue until the discussion remains within the limits. I hope this matter stands resolved.
The rough language used at any thread about members or any professional body or institute should be monitored by Admin, which hopefully be doing his work. If I have done so, it should also strictly be viewed.
As far as Hadees quoted by Astute is concerned; it was once quoted by me as well where we discussed and researched various sources and gathered the evidences for which it is called Zaeef. We learn life long; there is no issue in accepting it; I also learnt after a great deal of search that this Hadees is not found in any of Sahi Books of Ahaadees. However, very renowned Ulema have also agreed that although it is called Zaeef but denying its existence will be incorrect since it does not collide with the actual message of Islam and Propeht (PBUH) about education. However, this is the positive view only. Sahi Books of Ahaadees have quoted some Ahaadees about education. One of those is
"seek knowledge from your birth (swing) to your death (grave)".
This Hadees is enough for us to understand what Islam requires. However, definition of religion its messages and its interpretations differ from person to person and sect to sect, so we cannot and should not go a long way in debating negative discussions. Otherwise why this Hadees was called Zaeef and why it was not taken in Sahi Books has some contradictory historical statements, even from renowned people. Since this is very delicate matter, I dont wish to go at length on this issue.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
