Is ICMAP bigger than CIMA?

[kamranACA]

Dear Awais,

Where did you find that I called Nazeer Shaheen or Mian Mumtaz (or some others mentioned by you) as useless product specifically? Where did you find that I abused you? I mean is it really a matter of "kisi qaum ke dushmani tumhain andha na kar day" at your part?

Certainly the people you are pointing out have neither been given low status nor they any where publicly declared that they are accepting low salaries for the sake of nation. Be specific; the previous post of mine was in response to the so-called worries about nation. We can exchange a few emotional posts here but the fact has to remain that no body in this world can accept a low status or earnings level (within honest means) if he is capable of having more. Rare examples of some teachers and doctors, I agree, exist in every society. However, such rare cases “mostly” have their specific agenda and get indirect benefits through NGOs or trusts or public fame. Rest of such people are very few, rather negligible.

The statement about useless product is about the ones who are not paid by the "nation" keeping in view their capabilities, and who feel that they have been sacrificing (self assumed) for the nation merely for the sake of sour grapes.

I know you will get to understand nothing of the above two paragraphs mainly for the reason stated in the Hadees you have quoted.

Abusing! I must say brilliant analysis you have produced and the way you modified the situation to cover it under a Hadees is remarkable. Let me show you the correct picture.

I am not a Maulvi but let me to become a “half boiled” Maulvi [means neem hakeem] “like you” for some moments simply to reply your connotations, if you don’t mind.

First of all if calling some one “tiger” is not an abuse then how can be the word “Gadhey” or “its kids” be termed as an abuse especially when Prophet PBUH used to ride on it for traveling. {You see these comments are an example of Half Boiled Characteristics, like President Zia where people use to mold the situation to get desired favors. You have done similar thing as well; (just to keep on record)}.

Now talking quite seriously, even if it is considered to be an abuse, we have to look back to the exact wording of the Hadees you have quoted. There exist a number of AHADEES on this issue and we know abusing is an illicit act at the part of Muslims. However, it is important to know that there was a concept in Christianity to forgive each and everything to others. This concept does not exist in Islam. I wonder why you are trying to preach the message of Christianity. Is there any reason? Here, in Islam, one has the right to reply the other in the same and equal form (although forgiving is a better “option”). The Hadees which you are quoting stipulates that such abusing reverts to one’s parents IF THE OTHER does not reply it. This technically does not apply where eye is taken against the eye; I mean where some one is replied for his own illicit act MERELY AS A REPLY. If you need to substantiate it, get back to original text of Hadees and get guidance from ULEMA (not of your family).

Here a crap started using similar words invariably for all the members of an institute. No body replied him for some time. During such time no body raised the quotations of such AHADEES including the members who have symptoms of half boiled Maulvi (neem hakeem) or the ones who use to become half boiled Maulvi on certain times (as I am doing currently). Why the people like you kept quiet, has nothing but the “attributes” given in the Hadees, that "kisi qaum ke dushmani tumhain andha na kar day". Do you want me to quote Ahadees about the people who remain quiet on such incidents? Leave it, itnaa bhi kiyaa half boiled hona.

During the time when the bug used such words and no body gave him a treatment, according to the Hadees, the words kept on going back to him (and his parents). During this time burden was on his shoulders that he had been abusing his-self and his parents (under the meaning of the Hadees you quoted). However, after giving a due time to Admin to take an action, and half boiled people to react in the worries of nation, similar treatment was considered necessary to be given which in fact reduced his burden as eye was taken against the eye. Would not it be strange if soon after such treatment a half boiled Maulvi raises his hand and start quoting AHADEES to favor the bug? What it shows? Every one can understand.

So the word “GADHEY KAY BACHAY(s)” is only in a response of the word “GADHEY”, which right, Islam fully accepts and recognizes. These words, every one who visits the forum can understand, are only for those who use the word “GADHEY” for others. These don’t refer to any one who is not a part and parcel. So every one else should not be worried about saanjhi betiaan and saanjhey maan baap and saanjhi izzat. This is not about them.

{In Christianity, I know, concept is bit different. If you will quote Bible, then we can discuss its references as well}.

I again know you will get to understand nothing of the above paragraphs mainly for the reason stated in the Hadees you have quoted.

Pothohar! We have family ties with some Pothohari families where both groups have been supporting each other for more than half a century. Don’t educate me about what is Pothohar and who are Pothoharies. I guess the people who have lived their lives in Urban area of Rawalpindi in fact do not know the Pothohar in real sense.

You are fully appreciated to fight till the last drop of your blood (being a pothohari) but in some cases competition can be stiff and blood can go in drains uselessly. So be careful; just an advice.

Participation in discussions, has been explained, is entirely dependent upon the will of members. If you have not done something as per “your concept” of “ethics”, you cannot bind others to follow same rule. Here the forum rules have to be observed if "kisi qaum ke dushmani tumhain andha na kar day".

If something remained unaddressed, I am here to post again.

Crap is again not addressed. {However, Janwers eventually accepted that they are janwers! Just forgot they are bugs}.

Regards,



KAMRAN.