10-22-2009, 11:52 PM
Awais,
First of all can you show me where in the line you are quoting (as given below) I said that you particularly are living at Rawalpindi. Secondly, can you prove at any of the thread in entire forum where I said I am from Lahore. Give it a try; let's see how efficient you are and how good is your memory.
"...........I guess the people who have lived their lives in Urban area of Rawalpindi in fact do not know the Pothohar in real sense..............."
Yeh tu haalat hai, ab aur kia kahoon? If I will say anything else, you will certainly find it a dushmani.
Do you find anything obstructive or humiliating by its nature in above quoted sentence? Don't you see the word "I guess"? Is it necessary for "guessing" to know one's family, background, exact location (even if you feel this sentence was directed to you?). Has there arisen some problem now a days to understand the simple written material? I simply wrote that we have family ties with pothohari people and as per my guess people living in PINDI (urban area) don't much know the "pothohar". It was about pothohar and not about pothohaaries; look at my post if you don't remember. If some one has been living in PINDI urban area how can he know the deep rooted traditions of pothohar? Rural life of pothohar is the real picture of the beauty of pothohar and its traditions. I mean how do you connect everything with yourself. I just asked you not to educate me about pothohar and pothoharies. Is there any issue with this request?
Although the reference of PINDI urban area was a general remark still don't you remember how long you kept on composing the tunes in praise of Islamabad and Rawalpindi in your posts at General's sub forum in a thread titled "My City"? Will you now be going to delete it like a bug on this thread?
This is the very first time I heard that Zia ul Haq was a pothohari. Thanks for adding it to my knowledge. However, to my info he was from ARAAIN family hailing from Indian Jalandher (a common caste of southern Punjab) and his son, I don't know, if has contested the NA election from any where at pothohar. Rather Ejaz-ul-Haq has been contesting from Toba Tek Sing only for the reason that Toba Tek Sing has majority of ARRAIN population. If he is pothohari then is it a way you guys treat your own people that they find other places better than their own? You are not bound to reply this question.
How do I know pothohar is a question which I may not reply because these ties are very strong and from the outset aur story lambi ho jaaey gee. I know pothohar from last 25 years, majority of the rural or urban area. Either it is sehala, sohava, rawaat, mandra, gojar khan or whatever. I am however not an inhabitant of pothohar. I don't know what makes you to feel everything in same fashion. Just find out where I said I am from Lahore, although every city is mine be it Lahore, Rawalpindi, DiKhan, DG Khan, Multan, Hyderabad or Karachi or any one else. Why because I am a Pakistani. I should naturally know every one including pothohar. I would wait for the results of your search. Kuch tu soch kar likha karo. Hadd hai yar. Tehqeeeq zaroori hai aur religious banday kay liyey zyada zaroori hai (as you say you are).
You appeared to have been preaching the concept of Christianity by saying that why eye has been taken against eye. When you found no way out you have started differentiating TAQWA and FATWA. When some one will distort the teachings of Islam for getting favors what the others will say specially when such distortion leads to the concept of Christianity? I never claimed that any of my family member is AALIM (or even Mullah) so I need not to be a half boiled Maulvi. To me the definition of ALLAM is quite different.
I don't "feel" you are a strict follower of the quotation about SABAR which you have given. Are you?
You were quoting AHAADEES, were you a designated president or lawyer of Islam or all muslims? You have been praising ICMAP (even if you are not a CMA); is it because you are its president or lawyer? You appear to be very touchy about pothohaar, are you a president of pothoharies or a lawyer? The intimacies and beliefs have lot more reasons so come out of this poor helpless thought. However, you may or may not do so since it's your will.
You always talk about your religious family and say "I feel proud". Do you know what AHADEES say about feeling such a proud? That's why I said you are a half boiled Maulvi. Please learn something from those religious people of your family who did not even tell you that proud is a biggest sin regardless of your claim that they educate you. If you need, let me know and I will tell you what Hadees says about FAKHAR or proud. We all are human beings and all humans are sinful except Prophets. Whatever we are, and whoever we are, we will only be forgiven with the will and blessing of ALLAH. I wonder if such proud or such Ulema will come forward to get forgiveness for us. Kia Ham, Kia hamaarey Ulema aur kia ham sab (including Ulema) kee auqaat. My words would appear bit sour but if you will try you will know it is a fact.
Let's see if this debate is completed.
Bug is again ignored.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
First of all can you show me where in the line you are quoting (as given below) I said that you particularly are living at Rawalpindi. Secondly, can you prove at any of the thread in entire forum where I said I am from Lahore. Give it a try; let's see how efficient you are and how good is your memory.
"...........I guess the people who have lived their lives in Urban area of Rawalpindi in fact do not know the Pothohar in real sense..............."
Yeh tu haalat hai, ab aur kia kahoon? If I will say anything else, you will certainly find it a dushmani.
Do you find anything obstructive or humiliating by its nature in above quoted sentence? Don't you see the word "I guess"? Is it necessary for "guessing" to know one's family, background, exact location (even if you feel this sentence was directed to you?). Has there arisen some problem now a days to understand the simple written material? I simply wrote that we have family ties with pothohari people and as per my guess people living in PINDI (urban area) don't much know the "pothohar". It was about pothohar and not about pothohaaries; look at my post if you don't remember. If some one has been living in PINDI urban area how can he know the deep rooted traditions of pothohar? Rural life of pothohar is the real picture of the beauty of pothohar and its traditions. I mean how do you connect everything with yourself. I just asked you not to educate me about pothohar and pothoharies. Is there any issue with this request?
Although the reference of PINDI urban area was a general remark still don't you remember how long you kept on composing the tunes in praise of Islamabad and Rawalpindi in your posts at General's sub forum in a thread titled "My City"? Will you now be going to delete it like a bug on this thread?
This is the very first time I heard that Zia ul Haq was a pothohari. Thanks for adding it to my knowledge. However, to my info he was from ARAAIN family hailing from Indian Jalandher (a common caste of southern Punjab) and his son, I don't know, if has contested the NA election from any where at pothohar. Rather Ejaz-ul-Haq has been contesting from Toba Tek Sing only for the reason that Toba Tek Sing has majority of ARRAIN population. If he is pothohari then is it a way you guys treat your own people that they find other places better than their own? You are not bound to reply this question.
How do I know pothohar is a question which I may not reply because these ties are very strong and from the outset aur story lambi ho jaaey gee. I know pothohar from last 25 years, majority of the rural or urban area. Either it is sehala, sohava, rawaat, mandra, gojar khan or whatever. I am however not an inhabitant of pothohar. I don't know what makes you to feel everything in same fashion. Just find out where I said I am from Lahore, although every city is mine be it Lahore, Rawalpindi, DiKhan, DG Khan, Multan, Hyderabad or Karachi or any one else. Why because I am a Pakistani. I should naturally know every one including pothohar. I would wait for the results of your search. Kuch tu soch kar likha karo. Hadd hai yar. Tehqeeeq zaroori hai aur religious banday kay liyey zyada zaroori hai (as you say you are).
You appeared to have been preaching the concept of Christianity by saying that why eye has been taken against eye. When you found no way out you have started differentiating TAQWA and FATWA. When some one will distort the teachings of Islam for getting favors what the others will say specially when such distortion leads to the concept of Christianity? I never claimed that any of my family member is AALIM (or even Mullah) so I need not to be a half boiled Maulvi. To me the definition of ALLAM is quite different.
I don't "feel" you are a strict follower of the quotation about SABAR which you have given. Are you?
You were quoting AHAADEES, were you a designated president or lawyer of Islam or all muslims? You have been praising ICMAP (even if you are not a CMA); is it because you are its president or lawyer? You appear to be very touchy about pothohaar, are you a president of pothoharies or a lawyer? The intimacies and beliefs have lot more reasons so come out of this poor helpless thought. However, you may or may not do so since it's your will.
You always talk about your religious family and say "I feel proud". Do you know what AHADEES say about feeling such a proud? That's why I said you are a half boiled Maulvi. Please learn something from those religious people of your family who did not even tell you that proud is a biggest sin regardless of your claim that they educate you. If you need, let me know and I will tell you what Hadees says about FAKHAR or proud. We all are human beings and all humans are sinful except Prophets. Whatever we are, and whoever we are, we will only be forgiven with the will and blessing of ALLAH. I wonder if such proud or such Ulema will come forward to get forgiveness for us. Kia Ham, Kia hamaarey Ulema aur kia ham sab (including Ulema) kee auqaat. My words would appear bit sour but if you will try you will know it is a fact.
Let's see if this debate is completed.
Bug is again ignored.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
