02-16-2010, 02:16 AM
(CMA friends I apologize for using any indecent words in this post from you at large; rest assured this post is only meant for the man to whom it is addressed to; so no offense please)
Awais
We all know we don't have any obligation to follow what others have advised, yet, a number of times it has been told for your benefit that copying what others are doing does not suit you. You again did so by copying my post for record purpose. I know you will not understand it. Tumhain lagta hai main yeh post delete kar doon gaa? Kabhi tu brain use kia karo. I was under moral obligation to GreatKhans, and he has not asked me to do so.
As far as ICMAP is concerned, have you bought out some "exclusive rights" to comment on it or to abstain others from doing so? My dear if this is the case, please let us know. Otherwise this forum is meant to discuss it and it is well within the rules of the forum. If you are ignorant (as I know), please contact the Admin and inquire it for clarity of your mind (which I know will never be cleared).
Yes, no body is stopping you from finding out deficiencies of ICAP as well. The whole of your last post is nothing but a similar grouse to which I invited the attention of GreatKhans. Come out of this bach-gana phase of complaining about others. Correct your-self and every one will be corrected automatically. Dont you feel people will laugh at you calling it a stupid act, as you have recently witnessed some one saying so?
Some of the people find nothing constructive in any thing. When you will make announcement of getting TAX AUDIT "RIGHTS" (and similar other things along with placing some indirect allegation on others in most of your posts) and if as a response your attention is drawn to a grave fact that although it is so good that you are on the board but why you have not been allocated a single tax audit by FBR even after giving such "rights". This attention was drawn along with mentioning reasons that why it has not happened. When this is done, you felt it odd and started posting indecent and personalized stuff.
You know ICMAP is lacking in this area i.e. training, practices and so much connected with it although it may be very good and advanced on the studies side. It is known to every one. We know CIMA has given prestigious exemptions to ICMAP for its quality on educational side. It's an honor for Pakistan as well. Still, if there is a lacking, it is there by all means. And this is not to criticize some thing, rather to draw the attention that do something on a certain front if you desire to get a goal. If some one feels it's nothing new then OKAY it would not be, but either go back to correct this "too old" and "well known" issue or stop your buddies don't write posts against CAs that they have done something wrong over the decades and are the major obstacle in your way to progress. I know definition of decency in your specific terms neither finds it indecent nor a matter of disgrace for your self.
You are saying that something indecent and ill-mannered has been done with you but have you ever thought the reasons or attributes? I don't mind if you use similar words, where I have done something wrong with you without any provocation. I have so many times witnessed your lack of knowledge and materially wrong view points but never commented upon or objected because I know you are a student and every one can commit mistake, since to err is human. So many CMAs are here, and no one came with such a cheap post as you brought in merely because CMAs were professionally and decently told a way out to establish good professional practices. Qualified CMAs are presumably decent and do understand the intent behind a post. They knew that it was by no means for an offense. Your problem is that, you are on some so-called Managerial post without having the required qualification. You feel so many deficiencies and complexes and just to seek a bit of elegance or jhooti prominence you try to poke your nose on every matter even where you are totally blank about the facts and realities. You are free to poke such nose but you know it makes people laugh when you are empty and blank as Spectrum has discussed about some specific dabba (you see these were not my words about you.
This is simply a psychological analysis of your confused personality. I know here I am getting personal which I had never been even when you committed confident blunders and even when after committing such confident blunders you tried so much to stick on them. However, now I am bound to show you your personality gap so that if you take it positively, you may improve yourself in future. I have least hopes about yourself, although. I advise you to clear your mind from prejudices and look forward to a very open and large world. One day you will become what you are desiring and dreaming at this earliest pre-mature stage.
Contrary to your groundless allegations, I wonder if in that very post (to which you blindly responded) I defamed CMAs by mentioning their names and calling into question what they personally are doing at their jobs or by opening of my chonch where nothing established thing is being discussed on any ones personal level just to satisfy inner IBLEES (that is with every one including you and me). Did I? Do you feel if I wish to do it, then its some issue? I believe it is indecent and non-professional harkat whoever has done so. Do you feel it cannot be done? Do you realize what is cheap and what is not? Can you make out a difference?
My post was containing only suggestions; your comments explained how much complexed and inferior you personally feel about yourself as you either are getting personalized in response to simple suggestions or wishing every one not to comment on you or ICMAP or CMAs however decent it may be. Is not it a renowned professional apex body that can be accessed, studied, analyzed by every one? The only thing is limit of decency in doing such things; let me know where decency was absent in my post which prompted you to spread out non-sense of using personal names of persons and firms and companies etc. Is it a doll of some roothi hui baby girl that no one should even see it or touch it? Are you following some approach of TALIBAAN of disconnecting with every one and creating a new world of your own on separate island of Antarctica? Is discussing this all tantamount to discuss some taboo? If yes, then why? I believe qualified CMAs dont think this way. So, try to get qualified first of all, then you may succeed parting with the gap.
Dont you feel you have totally failed to reply even a single point where I explained the situation to invite your mind to see the facts, be it Code of Ethics, Code of Corporate Governance, Responsibility of preparation of financials, Hospitality, or whatever? Why you dont dare to come up with further comments on your stupid and slanderous questions except the repeated grouses about VIP treatment, free vehicles and mix vegetables etc which make you to feel deprived of some thing. Again personality complex!
At the end I must draw your attention, that despite your crossing all limits of getting personal with people who are much senior and better than you in all respects, I (except this post)only questioned your mindset, confused thought, lack of knowledge etc. I did not disgrace you at the level you deserved. I still kept your regard just to preserve the decorum of the forum and keeping in view my difference with you. If you will not stop doing non-sense, you will continually get similar responses. You are so immature that at once you jumped and agreed with a member not to indulge in Behas; yet could not hold your tongue and continued sticking with your empty minded allegations. You have mentioned that last post was your last on this thread; yet I know you cannot feel relaxed without getting some further clarity.
Last caution, never again try to get frank with me or advise me like a BUQRAT on any thing at this forum. Believe in having the similar response whenever you cross limits at personalized level or have posted any thing within the definition of CONFIDENT BLUNDER. And stop e-mailing other members when something falls back on you. Face the outcome of what you have done. Meri jaan bachaao, Meri jaan bachaao cheekhna chore do. Grow up now. Dont ask others for saving your skin. I told you, you have eliminated all the vacuum of mutual respect and honor.
I am not writing anything because I feel you are within some so called limits. I know you cross all the limits first and then come to realize what you have done and why you are paying back. Do cross further limits if you feel like doing so and you will see how you will be responded. I know and inside my heart feel guilt on writing this. But for you it is imperative.
If you are really sincere with yourself then try to fortify your knowledge and qualify your exams. You have some very crucial thing missing in your life. Dont waste your energies in non-productive debate of which you are not even a least part.
Friends,
Is post main kuch zyada ho gaya hai; Had it been some good time I would have apologized for using personalized words in this post but the man has eliminated that vacuum. Let the vacuum be created, things may come to right place.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
Awais
We all know we don't have any obligation to follow what others have advised, yet, a number of times it has been told for your benefit that copying what others are doing does not suit you. You again did so by copying my post for record purpose. I know you will not understand it. Tumhain lagta hai main yeh post delete kar doon gaa? Kabhi tu brain use kia karo. I was under moral obligation to GreatKhans, and he has not asked me to do so.
As far as ICMAP is concerned, have you bought out some "exclusive rights" to comment on it or to abstain others from doing so? My dear if this is the case, please let us know. Otherwise this forum is meant to discuss it and it is well within the rules of the forum. If you are ignorant (as I know), please contact the Admin and inquire it for clarity of your mind (which I know will never be cleared).
Yes, no body is stopping you from finding out deficiencies of ICAP as well. The whole of your last post is nothing but a similar grouse to which I invited the attention of GreatKhans. Come out of this bach-gana phase of complaining about others. Correct your-self and every one will be corrected automatically. Dont you feel people will laugh at you calling it a stupid act, as you have recently witnessed some one saying so?
Some of the people find nothing constructive in any thing. When you will make announcement of getting TAX AUDIT "RIGHTS" (and similar other things along with placing some indirect allegation on others in most of your posts) and if as a response your attention is drawn to a grave fact that although it is so good that you are on the board but why you have not been allocated a single tax audit by FBR even after giving such "rights". This attention was drawn along with mentioning reasons that why it has not happened. When this is done, you felt it odd and started posting indecent and personalized stuff.
You know ICMAP is lacking in this area i.e. training, practices and so much connected with it although it may be very good and advanced on the studies side. It is known to every one. We know CIMA has given prestigious exemptions to ICMAP for its quality on educational side. It's an honor for Pakistan as well. Still, if there is a lacking, it is there by all means. And this is not to criticize some thing, rather to draw the attention that do something on a certain front if you desire to get a goal. If some one feels it's nothing new then OKAY it would not be, but either go back to correct this "too old" and "well known" issue or stop your buddies don't write posts against CAs that they have done something wrong over the decades and are the major obstacle in your way to progress. I know definition of decency in your specific terms neither finds it indecent nor a matter of disgrace for your self.
You are saying that something indecent and ill-mannered has been done with you but have you ever thought the reasons or attributes? I don't mind if you use similar words, where I have done something wrong with you without any provocation. I have so many times witnessed your lack of knowledge and materially wrong view points but never commented upon or objected because I know you are a student and every one can commit mistake, since to err is human. So many CMAs are here, and no one came with such a cheap post as you brought in merely because CMAs were professionally and decently told a way out to establish good professional practices. Qualified CMAs are presumably decent and do understand the intent behind a post. They knew that it was by no means for an offense. Your problem is that, you are on some so-called Managerial post without having the required qualification. You feel so many deficiencies and complexes and just to seek a bit of elegance or jhooti prominence you try to poke your nose on every matter even where you are totally blank about the facts and realities. You are free to poke such nose but you know it makes people laugh when you are empty and blank as Spectrum has discussed about some specific dabba (you see these were not my words about you.
This is simply a psychological analysis of your confused personality. I know here I am getting personal which I had never been even when you committed confident blunders and even when after committing such confident blunders you tried so much to stick on them. However, now I am bound to show you your personality gap so that if you take it positively, you may improve yourself in future. I have least hopes about yourself, although. I advise you to clear your mind from prejudices and look forward to a very open and large world. One day you will become what you are desiring and dreaming at this earliest pre-mature stage.
Contrary to your groundless allegations, I wonder if in that very post (to which you blindly responded) I defamed CMAs by mentioning their names and calling into question what they personally are doing at their jobs or by opening of my chonch where nothing established thing is being discussed on any ones personal level just to satisfy inner IBLEES (that is with every one including you and me). Did I? Do you feel if I wish to do it, then its some issue? I believe it is indecent and non-professional harkat whoever has done so. Do you feel it cannot be done? Do you realize what is cheap and what is not? Can you make out a difference?
My post was containing only suggestions; your comments explained how much complexed and inferior you personally feel about yourself as you either are getting personalized in response to simple suggestions or wishing every one not to comment on you or ICMAP or CMAs however decent it may be. Is not it a renowned professional apex body that can be accessed, studied, analyzed by every one? The only thing is limit of decency in doing such things; let me know where decency was absent in my post which prompted you to spread out non-sense of using personal names of persons and firms and companies etc. Is it a doll of some roothi hui baby girl that no one should even see it or touch it? Are you following some approach of TALIBAAN of disconnecting with every one and creating a new world of your own on separate island of Antarctica? Is discussing this all tantamount to discuss some taboo? If yes, then why? I believe qualified CMAs dont think this way. So, try to get qualified first of all, then you may succeed parting with the gap.
Dont you feel you have totally failed to reply even a single point where I explained the situation to invite your mind to see the facts, be it Code of Ethics, Code of Corporate Governance, Responsibility of preparation of financials, Hospitality, or whatever? Why you dont dare to come up with further comments on your stupid and slanderous questions except the repeated grouses about VIP treatment, free vehicles and mix vegetables etc which make you to feel deprived of some thing. Again personality complex!
At the end I must draw your attention, that despite your crossing all limits of getting personal with people who are much senior and better than you in all respects, I (except this post)only questioned your mindset, confused thought, lack of knowledge etc. I did not disgrace you at the level you deserved. I still kept your regard just to preserve the decorum of the forum and keeping in view my difference with you. If you will not stop doing non-sense, you will continually get similar responses. You are so immature that at once you jumped and agreed with a member not to indulge in Behas; yet could not hold your tongue and continued sticking with your empty minded allegations. You have mentioned that last post was your last on this thread; yet I know you cannot feel relaxed without getting some further clarity.
Last caution, never again try to get frank with me or advise me like a BUQRAT on any thing at this forum. Believe in having the similar response whenever you cross limits at personalized level or have posted any thing within the definition of CONFIDENT BLUNDER. And stop e-mailing other members when something falls back on you. Face the outcome of what you have done. Meri jaan bachaao, Meri jaan bachaao cheekhna chore do. Grow up now. Dont ask others for saving your skin. I told you, you have eliminated all the vacuum of mutual respect and honor.
I am not writing anything because I feel you are within some so called limits. I know you cross all the limits first and then come to realize what you have done and why you are paying back. Do cross further limits if you feel like doing so and you will see how you will be responded. I know and inside my heart feel guilt on writing this. But for you it is imperative.
If you are really sincere with yourself then try to fortify your knowledge and qualify your exams. You have some very crucial thing missing in your life. Dont waste your energies in non-productive debate of which you are not even a least part.
Friends,
Is post main kuch zyada ho gaya hai; Had it been some good time I would have apologized for using personalized words in this post but the man has eliminated that vacuum. Let the vacuum be created, things may come to right place.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
