08-31-2004, 04:37 AM
I agree with you Guybush,.. the topic has been floated here for two many reasons
1) to convert Azeem sb. to our side of the camp )
2) to help the younger generation grasp the ideology of Pakistan,.. I forsee the next decade as a very decisive one,.. with our neighbour now imbimbing into our social fabric via media incursions.
I agree that not all Indian Muslims scoff at us for Pakistan. I also sympathise with those that scoff us, some times it is more of being loyal than the king.
I'd recommend you to read "The Saga of Indus Valley Civlization" by Aitezaz Ahsan. This book alone brings out the ideology of Pakistan like anything. An Undivided India is simply an Utopia,... In the 3000 -4000 years of recorded Indian history it was undivided as a single nation state only under Asoka, Akbar and Aurungzeb. Even the British had to rely on hundreds of princely states (which ran as independent countries, except on the issue of foreign policy and tax to the Queen/King).
Jinnah was the most unlikely person in the history of this region to be a Partitioner, even until 1943 (three years after the Lahore resolution) he believed that Congress would see the light and make possible a fedration based on modern democratic linings with constitutional guarantees for the rights of all minorities. Jinnah who was a congressia in all its essence was the best individual to understand and comprehend that Pakistan was inevitable. The very reason why he agreed to a moth eaten Pakistan minus Kashmir, minus Gurdaspur, minus the finances and infrastructure needed to run any state was because he saw it as the only option for the survival of all Muslims of India. He was never thought that the two neighbours would turn into bitter enemies, mind you he never sold his property that was partitioned into India,.. he had in mind something on the lines of US and Canada. Ofcourse the likes of Sardar Patel, Nehru and others had something else in mind,.. they died with the wish of seeing Pakistan choked to death and coming back to India for a fresh supply of air.
There are people across the border who are waiting for Pakistan to fail, they don't care for another 3 Bangladeshes... Pakistan is an anti thesis for them. Well, Pakistan was meant to be there are a few historical incidents which i fondly remember... all of the below during their life times were somehow opposed to Pakistan and its stability
-The Royal house of Afghanistan, the only country to oppose Pakistan's memebership to the UN.
-King Faisal of Egypt who made fun of Pakistan when some one told him Pakistan was the new fort of Islam.
-Bhutto and Mujeeb two people for dismembering our eastern wing, one was hanged (with no public protest whatsoever), the other murdered in a coup by his own country men.
-Indian PM's Indra Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi both had expanisionist designs on Pakistan and met their own death before they could instill damage onto us.
Edited by - pracs on Aug 31 2004 120630 AM
1) to convert Azeem sb. to our side of the camp )
2) to help the younger generation grasp the ideology of Pakistan,.. I forsee the next decade as a very decisive one,.. with our neighbour now imbimbing into our social fabric via media incursions.
I agree that not all Indian Muslims scoff at us for Pakistan. I also sympathise with those that scoff us, some times it is more of being loyal than the king.
I'd recommend you to read "The Saga of Indus Valley Civlization" by Aitezaz Ahsan. This book alone brings out the ideology of Pakistan like anything. An Undivided India is simply an Utopia,... In the 3000 -4000 years of recorded Indian history it was undivided as a single nation state only under Asoka, Akbar and Aurungzeb. Even the British had to rely on hundreds of princely states (which ran as independent countries, except on the issue of foreign policy and tax to the Queen/King).
Jinnah was the most unlikely person in the history of this region to be a Partitioner, even until 1943 (three years after the Lahore resolution) he believed that Congress would see the light and make possible a fedration based on modern democratic linings with constitutional guarantees for the rights of all minorities. Jinnah who was a congressia in all its essence was the best individual to understand and comprehend that Pakistan was inevitable. The very reason why he agreed to a moth eaten Pakistan minus Kashmir, minus Gurdaspur, minus the finances and infrastructure needed to run any state was because he saw it as the only option for the survival of all Muslims of India. He was never thought that the two neighbours would turn into bitter enemies, mind you he never sold his property that was partitioned into India,.. he had in mind something on the lines of US and Canada. Ofcourse the likes of Sardar Patel, Nehru and others had something else in mind,.. they died with the wish of seeing Pakistan choked to death and coming back to India for a fresh supply of air.
There are people across the border who are waiting for Pakistan to fail, they don't care for another 3 Bangladeshes... Pakistan is an anti thesis for them. Well, Pakistan was meant to be there are a few historical incidents which i fondly remember... all of the below during their life times were somehow opposed to Pakistan and its stability
-The Royal house of Afghanistan, the only country to oppose Pakistan's memebership to the UN.
-King Faisal of Egypt who made fun of Pakistan when some one told him Pakistan was the new fort of Islam.
-Bhutto and Mujeeb two people for dismembering our eastern wing, one was hanged (with no public protest whatsoever), the other murdered in a coup by his own country men.
-Indian PM's Indra Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi both had expanisionist designs on Pakistan and met their own death before they could instill damage onto us.
Edited by - pracs on Aug 31 2004 120630 AM
